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church what is crackin everybody how you

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more on that in just a minute because

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tonight we have very special guests with

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us right here Laird Scranton now he is

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here to talk some loss history gobekli

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tepe Egypt and Velikovsky that's what

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way to come back off of a vacation stay

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short break with tonight's guest Laird

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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heroes Jimmy church tonight Laird

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Scranton is with us tomorrow night

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Freddie Silva Wednesday night Francisco

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osa life coach Thursday night is the

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film extraordinary the seating with

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director Joe supple and writer Jack Roth

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tonight it is Laird Scranton he's an

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independent software designer who became

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interested in the Dogon mythology and

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symbolism in the early 1990s he has

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studied ancient myth language and

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cosmology since 1997 has been a lecturer

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at Colgate University his work includes

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articles published in the University of

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Chicago's anthropology news academic

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journal in Temple University's

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encyclopedia of African religion and in

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the Vassar quarterly magazine his book

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the science of the Dogon was taught at

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Colgate University but it was under the

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title hidden meanings a sudden study of

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the founding symbols of civilization

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claret has been interviewed on a variety

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of radio programs around the world

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including coast to coast am and fade to

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black and is a featured speaker on

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ancient mysteries he also appears in

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series tonight we're gonna do it all

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we're gonna discuss loss history gobekli

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and we've got inner traditions website

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linked up for Laird at Jimmy Church

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radio calm where you can go and check

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out all of his books I would like to

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welcome back to fade to black

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Laird Scranton Laird good evening man

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I'm Amy Jimmy I'm good I'm so glad to

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see you back enough of the pink to be on

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interview doing interviews again that's

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great man it was rough man it was rough

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but you know we get through it the show

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must go on and they ain't going to take

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this guy down so it's really that simple

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it's that simple Larry welcome back to

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the show it's always great to hear your

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voice and I we have so much to discuss

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tonight but I kind of want to start here

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when it comes to lost history and all of

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your research and your books there's you

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know we can deduce and deduce but the

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one thing that is like prevalent over

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all of it is that somebody somewhere

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past our history is being kept from as'

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did why do you why is this going on well

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decade or so before it was covered over

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of a dam same thing happened in the

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covered over with water just it looks

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awfully suspicious in some circumstances

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that somebody's trying to cover things

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the obvious inference is that there are

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things here that somebody doesn't want

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modern the modern populace to learn

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about and it's it seems to me it seems

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to me it's just about every civilization

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every culture everywhere has their story

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of a suppressed past where the history

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discuss here and clearly that is not the

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case and more and more evidences is

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coming forward every single day pointing

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to intelligent civilizations that

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predated everything but they don't want

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you to know about it well also the the

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a lot trickier if you if you're before

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3,000 BC when you have written texts

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appear it's much more difficult to make

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an argument with if you don't have a

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written text to support what you're

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trying to say so some of it may be

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legitimate but the traditional viewpoint

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of academics is a lot more conservative

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than what the evidence points to well

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then we can start with gobekli tepe oh

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and by the way the fader nods here this

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audience they started a drinking game

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like five years ago when I started

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speaking about gobekli tepe and so now

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every time I say or you say gobekli tepe

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they drink so I'm guessing I'm guessing

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in the next 20 minutes we're gonna lose

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half of our audience you're telling me

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that every time I say gobekli tepe

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they're gonna drink Gobekli Tepe right I

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think even GT doesn't work anymore

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either that that that passes so but okay

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the significance of Gobekli Tepe touches

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upon the two or three points that you

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gonna bring up is written text clearly

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on those pillars are symbols and

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messages left for us and that wasn't

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supposed to exist let alone at 7,000

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years predating the Giza Plateau or

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ancient Sumer right well that's right I

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mean that was the one of the key

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arguments against John Anthony West and

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argument that the Sphinx was older than

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traditionally thought they said well how

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can it be we have no evidence of a

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culture that is older than Egypt King

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gobekli tepe as far older can you

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imagine going back to 1992 when all that

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went down in San Diego that if if shock

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that press-conference go well surprise

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news now go back Lee tapi right great

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well as it is now go back to tip a is so

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substantiate that nobody can really

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question that it represents things that

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are far outside of the traditional

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paradigm that has been put forward for

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ancient Egypt now I want everybody in

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this audience to understand what we are

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saying here okay it's very simple 3000

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BC in any textbook in any course and

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anything about world history was the

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start of everything now we have

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something that is 7,000 not 700 not even

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70 years right which would be pretty

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cool to seven thousand years before Giza

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before Mesopotamia before ancient Sumer

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seven thousand years prior to that we we

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have a megalithic site with writing

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symbolism 3d art preserved obviously

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organized a civilization that knew how

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to quarry know about art knew about

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engineering knew about agriculture had

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organization and was a high-tech

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civilization that wasn't supposed to be

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there that's exactly what gobekli tepe

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gives us isn't it it certainly gives us

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a toehold into all of those things we

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have a cluster of civilizing skills that

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all appear in the same place at the same

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moment as you say metallurgy agriculture

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stone masonry animal husbandry the

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beginnings of what looks like might be

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proto-writing you have all sorts of

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things happening weaving and pottery all

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these things within a very short span of

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time in the same region appear make

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their first appearance as far as any

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evidence we have goes now just saying

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that says it should be according to

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academia and the media one of the most

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important sites if not the most

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important site on this planet too

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date but nobody's talking about it right

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there isn't an awful lot of discussion

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academically about it I think that with

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the death of the lead

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archaeologists there that things have

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slowed down a little bit in terms of the

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excavations they've been doing but

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there's an awful lot of potential for

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tracing the roots of other cultures from

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that region outward as a matter of fact

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that's what part of my research is

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focused on these days is tracing how

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things went forward from that era now

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there's religion could it could be there

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we don't know the purpose of the site

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and we will certainly discuss that but

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the other part of it for me which i

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think is is the most significant is it

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represents something celestial there it

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looks like there is it depends on how

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you certainly want to interpret it but

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there is representations of our seasons

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and could possibly be things that

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weren't talked about I I want to say

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this without sounding to wingnut ish but

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but but would suggest how do i one it

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would suggest knowledge of the heavens

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and transitions in the heavens that

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weren't talked about for another eight

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thousand nine thousand years and not

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until dendara so if that if that is

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indeed the case and represented the same

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way which means they're looking up and

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and seeing Taurus or or Cygnus or

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whatever represented in the correct way

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that would be picked up by other

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civilizations but another eight thousand

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years later and you have to stop and ask

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yourself where does this knowledge come

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from at 10,000 BC 11,000 BC

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that's right and there are any number of

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theories right now about what was really

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going on that Gobekli Pepe what's clear

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is it wasn't the city and it wasn't a

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fortification so that pretty much leaves

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that it was a sanctuary that people went

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to for some specific purpose to me it

279
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looks like it was those were educational

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purposes we have skills that the

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Buddhists and the Africans and others

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are talking about having been instructed

283
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Humanity in ancient times you know all

284
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appearing in that spot and you certainly

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have a site where it looks like people

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made pilgrimages - that would certainly

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be consistent with what later cultures

288
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we're doing you have theories that say

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that the carvings on the pillars

290
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represent as astronomical events were

291
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happening in the sky there are people

292
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who represent that there were alignments

293
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as specific constellations and specific

294
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risings and settings of stars and so

295
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forth there a lot of it is very

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difficult to prove because as I said we

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don't have written texts to tell us what

298
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the people at that time felt that these

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things represented and so we're left to

300
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sort of guesswork sometimes about what

301
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must have been true and we picture that

302
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this is what is amazing to me is that

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academia will paint a picture that at

304
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3,000 BC we went from at 3000 BC we

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transitioned from Stone Age man into the

306
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Bronze Age that that was the magical

307
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time right and then then slowly

308
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metallurgy came in and but before 3,000

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BC man was out foraging for seeds and in

310
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the desert you know walking around with

311
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a club in his hand and and that's what

312
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that's seriously what they want us to

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picture in our minds eye and then

314
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gobekli tepe shows us that we had things

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like fashion we had belts and belt

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buckles and clothing and and were able

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to carve in 3d relief 3d

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relief now clearly that's not stone age

319
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man that's a culture that that was

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technically advanced and nobody wants to

321
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step forward and talk about this the

322
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crazy part is that we have the evidence

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of these carvings that predate the first

324
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evidence we have of tools that were

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capable of producing the carvings so

326
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exactly no kind of a serious as to how

327
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this came about and now okay staying on

328
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this in order for and we don't even know

329
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how much is there

330
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all right we've only got 10 to 25% of

331
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the site excavated right now that it

332
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could be far older and more complex this

333
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the archaeology has got to be completed

334
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there weren't long ways from that but

335
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the the fundamentals are here I will

336
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argue with anybody when you have to have

337
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the organization and the knowledge of

338
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how to quarry these stones transport

339
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them here and then build the site forget

340
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about everything else forget about

341
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feeding forget about that the the

342
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astrology of the astronomy part the

343
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cosmology part leave all of that out

344
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leave the artistic stuff out leave oh

345
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there were no weapons there were no

346
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arrows there was you know there was

347
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nothing military or defensive or

348
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offensive about the site leave all of

349
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that out to Laird that's right let's

350
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just talk about coring these stones and

351
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how Stone Age man went you know I got an

352
00:18:46,299 --> 00:18:43,220
idea let's talk about that it's it's an

353
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amazing technically advanced site and

354
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that principle alone isn't it well

355
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that's true because there's so much that

356
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goes into trying to extricate the

357
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extract stone from from the stone bed

358
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that it's that it's in then if you take

359
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a very large piece of stone how do you

360
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move it how do you slide it how do you

361
00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:05,120
transport it why would you think to do

362
00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:06,740
that how far did you have to move that

363
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:08,360
how many miles did you have to try to

364
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move this where you're moving it uphill

365
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then in terms of the technology it takes

366
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to try to erect it in a way where the

367
00:19:19,890 --> 00:19:17,590
stone doesn't fall over and kill you let

368
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alone do you carve it before you put it

369
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:21,430
up do you carve it after you put it up

370
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:24,880
who even has any stone carving skills to

371
00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:27,520
work with it's a very very very

372
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:29,080
interesting sight there's an awful lot

373
00:19:31,650 --> 00:19:31,210
going on there that nobody understands

374
00:19:34,830 --> 00:19:31,660
yet

375
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:34,840
now let's let's talk about before we get

376
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to the break and we'll continue the

377
00:19:44,670 --> 00:19:39,030
conversation after but let's talk about

378
00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:44,680
who built it in that at 7,000 years

379
00:19:50,130 --> 00:19:47,260
predating Giza you know so let's just

380
00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:50,140
pull some round numbers 10,000 BC it

381
00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:51,370
could be ten thousand five hundred could

382
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,620
be a lever housing but we're at the edge

383
00:19:59,520 --> 00:19:56,080
of the last ice age no matter where we

384
00:20:03,450 --> 00:19:59,530
date it there's that aspect of it did

385
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:03,460
that is we would normally kind of deduce

386
00:20:07,170 --> 00:20:05,770
I said that twice in the show I won't do

387
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:07,180
it again

388
00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:11,650
but that maybe this came from the south

389
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:14,950
and moved north right because of

390
00:20:19,770 --> 00:20:17,050
Mesopotamia because of ancient Egypt and

391
00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:19,780
and those cultures there but we're

392
00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:22,600
talking about on the Armenian highlands

393
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,060
which is now present-day Turkey right

394
00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:27,520
that and it wasn't the Turks that built

395
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:31,540
Gobekli Tepe right it was the ancient

396
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:34,330
Armenian people oh and did this come

397
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:38,080
from a culture from the north that came

398
00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:41,760
down to the south who built Gobekli Tepe

399
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:45,790
right well again we have various

400
00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:47,890
theories from various researchers who

401
00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:49,150
all are looking at it from their own

402
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:51,430
perspective you know the I think the old

403
00:20:55,230 --> 00:20:53,530
saying is that if you consult a brain

404
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:55,240
surgeon you're gonna get a surgical

405
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:56,710
solution proposed or whatever your

406
00:21:00,930 --> 00:20:59,200
problem is mmm it's the same thing with

407
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:00,940
with researchers in this field is

408
00:21:05,970 --> 00:21:03,370
whatever their perspective happens to be

409
00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:05,980
if they're their area of focus is is

410
00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:08,380
east of there they're gonna find a way

411
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:10,360
to see it that reflects Eastern

412
00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:12,850
influences so you have all these

413
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:14,950
competing theories as to to who the

414
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:17,170
people were part of the problem is that

415
00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:19,210
for our back you don't have typically

416
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:21,640
hat find surviving DNA that you can test

417
00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:23,530
to figure out where did the people come

418
00:21:27,380 --> 00:21:24,790
from

419
00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:27,390
this is pre pottery so you can't check

420
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:29,740
styles of pottery to say where did they

421
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:32,170
come from if a thing wasn't made out of

422
00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:34,810
stone it didn't survive so I suppose you

423
00:21:39,780 --> 00:21:37,960
could you can compare you know stone

424
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:39,790
masonry styles except this is the

425
00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:41,530
earliest example of stone masonry we

426
00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:44,100
have so there's nothing to compare to

427
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:46,750
it's a very difficult situation in terms

428
00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:49,600
of trying to prove in any absolute way

429
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:51,340
who the people were where they came from

430
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:53,290
or why they were there well if you were

431
00:21:58,140 --> 00:21:56,290
if you were a betting man you know and I

432
00:22:00,680 --> 00:21:58,150
know you've analyzed this from every

433
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:00,690
every side

434
00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:03,760
wow that was a weird sound was that you

435
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:07,390
know not a Mayan wow that was kind of

436
00:22:11,850 --> 00:22:10,030
cool right that was an important

437
00:22:17,550 --> 00:22:11,860
question if you were a betting man who

438
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,560
oh I guess it was Godzilla if you were

439
00:22:23,220 --> 00:22:20,320
betting man what what do you think do

440
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:23,230
you think Siberia are you going there

441
00:22:27,450 --> 00:22:25,210
are you going from you know what I'd say

442
00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:27,460
I'd say all of the regions around that

443
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:29,740
area were influenced by what happened

444
00:22:36,330 --> 00:22:32,320
there it looks to me based on studies of

445
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,340
DNA studies of civilizing skills studies

446
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:39,280
of agricultural complicated plants that

447
00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:41,490
were moved outward from their

448
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:43,510
domesticated animals that moved outward

449
00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:45,730
from their tools and things like that it

450
00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:47,950
looks like it originated there and

451
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:49,390
radiated an outward in all directions

452
00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:53,610
from that southeastern Turkey

453
00:23:00,720 --> 00:22:56,230
originating quotin point this is Fertile

454
00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:00,730
Crescent stuff at it extends south and

455
00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:03,340
eastward through India down east and

456
00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:06,040
south as far as Australia right I think

457
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:08,740
it extends down through Palestine into

458
00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:11,890
Egypt and then into northern Africa

459
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:17,680
this is breasted concept of the Fertile

460
00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:19,810
Crescent he was tracing those all of

461
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:24,040
those aspects of civilization and mapped

462
00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:25,570
out this area that looks like a crescent

463
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:27,220
that's why it's called the Fertile

464
00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:29,650
Crescent but we don't have any clear

465
00:23:34,860 --> 00:23:31,510
picture of any of this having radiated

466
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:34,870
inward from from the outer regions so

467
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:37,130
you're suggesting it was

468
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:44,930
Cardassians I guess I mean there are

469
00:23:48,550 --> 00:23:46,550
there are perspectives that say that I

470
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:48,560
mean John Anthony West is one of the

471
00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:50,530
people who entertained the idea that

472
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:57,700
decided that that was the place to to

473
00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:01,520
try to reestablish civilizing skills for

474
00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:03,950
Humanity the name gobekli tepe

475
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:05,720
and I grew everybody a chance to take a

476
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,110
drink here the name gobekli tepe a one

477
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:11,120
of the interpretations of it is that it

478
00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:15,530
means central hill translation is

479
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,390
difficult because back in the in the day

480
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:20,240
of gobekli tepe every word had a cluster

481
00:24:24,340 --> 00:24:22,130
of meanings associated with it but

482
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:24,350
central Hill is also the translation of

483
00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:26,690
the Greek word appleís and all of the

484
00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:28,820
Greek temples were situated on hills

485
00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:32,060
that were central so that perspective

486
00:24:36,550 --> 00:24:35,030
makes it looks as if this was deliberate

487
00:24:38,350 --> 00:24:36,560
that the site was picked because it was

488
00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:38,360
central to so many different regions and

489
00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:40,190
that the radiating of these skills

490
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:42,220
outward was part of the plan not

491
00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:47,120
accidental next October next October

492
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:50,750
nearly a year from now we will be

493
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,960
heading to go back Lee Tepe and Armenia

494
00:24:59,650 --> 00:24:56,240
we are shooting a documentary in a

495
00:25:03,640 --> 00:24:59,660
series oh that's great yeah and I have

496
00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:03,650
talked about gobekli tepe so much that I

497
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,100
don't know how I'm going to be affected

498
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:08,960
by it when I finally reached the site

499
00:25:15,670 --> 00:25:11,840
it'll kind of like be the first time I

500
00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:15,680
saw van Halen I lost it

501
00:25:20,410 --> 00:25:18,440
I just lost it and we're so excited

502
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:20,420
about that because this information and

503
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:22,790
it's not just gobekli tepe

504
00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:26,240
but the armenian highlands from gobekli

505
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:26,630
tepe

506
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:30,950
all the way east through armenia and and

507
00:25:35,290 --> 00:25:33,200
Mount Ararat and the surrounding the

508
00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:35,300
megalithic sites and carahunge it goes

509
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:39,860
on and on and on and its influence from

510
00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:42,110
the Armenian highlands just like you

511
00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:46,160
just said radiating out throughout the

512
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:49,830
world these these sites and there were

513
00:25:53,389 --> 00:25:51,690
Horton's or something that just isn't

514
00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:53,399
discussed I remember talking to Graham

515
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:55,830
Hancock about this Laird and I said it

516
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:58,440
seems to me that that gobekli tepe and

517
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:00,299
Kara Holmes are like the redheaded

518
00:26:05,509 --> 00:26:02,970
stepchild right because you're exactly

519
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:05,519
right to me I don't understand carahunge

520
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,980
is one of the most important sites on

521
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,559
this planet predating Stonehenge and

522
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:12,960
carahunge means Stonehenge in Armenian

523
00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:15,960
by the way it is one of the most

524
00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:19,220
incredible sites with these pillars

525
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:22,200
aligning two stars with holes in them

526
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:24,179
something that Stonehenge doesn't have

527
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:26,820
right but but nobody talks about it

528
00:26:30,889 --> 00:26:29,370
right because in the ancient Egypt when

529
00:26:32,659 --> 00:26:30,899
you had a stone like that with a hole in

530
00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:32,669
it we know for certain they were using

531
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:35,190
it to site alignment so you know risings

532
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,690
and settings of stars on certain dates

533
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:38,820
and so forth so it's very likely that

534
00:26:43,399 --> 00:26:40,710
any megalithic stone that they find with

535
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,409
a what looks like a deliberately carved

536
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:44,880
hole in the center of it is going to be

537
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:47,220
used for alignments and we also have

538
00:26:51,889 --> 00:26:48,779
that at gobekli tepe

539
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:51,899
which let's take our break here we'll

540
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,700
continue with gobekli tepe

541
00:26:58,340 --> 00:26:56,220
and we're gonna talk some Egypt and of

542
00:27:00,799 --> 00:26:58,350
course I'm gonna get some Velikovsky and

543
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:00,809
and tie all of this together tonight our

544
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:03,179
guest is Laird Scranton it's lost

545
00:27:05,899 --> 00:27:05,159
history on fade to black my favorite

546
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:05,909
thing Laird

547
00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:09,120
it's my favorite thing more with Laird

548
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:10,889
right after this short break this is

549
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:12,659
paid to black on the GameChanger network

550
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:15,480
and Keiji are a the planet I'm gonna

551
00:27:19,639 --> 00:27:17,250
meet Church follow me on twitter at J

552
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Church radio we'll be right back after

553
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:21,430
this short break stay with us

554
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[Music]

555
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:43,810
welcome back Faye the block I'm Yours

556
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:45,910
Timmy church tonight Laird Scranton is

557
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:51,430
with us for talking gobekli tepe how you

558
00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:57,490
guys doing okay Larry now suppressed

559
00:28:01,950 --> 00:28:00,130
knowledge right suppressed knowledge and

560
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:01,960
why would they do that to us well I

561
00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:05,740
think they got a big surprise when those

562
00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:09,070
builders of Gobekli Tepe decided to

563
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:13,540
deliberately bury it to preserve it for

564
00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:17,440
us what a gift right that's absolutely

565
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:19,300
true and it's not the only site that was

566
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:22,630
deliberately buried and in some cases we

567
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:24,100
have better insights than we do in a

568
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:26,470
gobekli tepe as to why they might have

569
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:29,800
done it but the only reason it's as well

570
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:31,690
preserved as it is for us to see is

571
00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:33,730
because of that choice we can tell by

572
00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:34,230
the

573
00:28:39,930 --> 00:28:37,660
material that was used to cover it over

574
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:39,940
and the care that was taken not to

575
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,710
damage the carvings that you were

576
00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:43,840
talking about that it was deliberately

577
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:46,780
covered not accidentally covering now we

578
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:51,130
have to ask why and this is this is what

579
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:53,290
I find really interesting and I always

580
00:29:01,920 --> 00:28:58,480
go back to 2001 a Space Odyssey and the

581
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:01,930
way that arthur c clarke and Kubrick

582
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:06,130
chose to do the big reveal was the

583
00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:07,210
monolith on the moon that was

584
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:09,460
deliberately buried we unburied it it

585
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:12,220
sends off a signal and lets us know that

586
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:16,080
we've reached a certain height in our

587
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:19,270
evolution a very very interesting

588
00:29:26,370 --> 00:29:22,990
approach and then gobekli tepe comes

589
00:29:28,770 --> 00:29:26,380
along and it's also deliberately buried

590
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:28,780
and we didn't find it and didn't have

591
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:30,910
the ability to do it and study it until

592
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:32,770
we achieved a certain place in our

593
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:35,530
evolution to as well just find that very

594
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:37,570
interesting because we're talking about

595
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:41,650
monoliths in in both cases and that it

596
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:45,850
was deliberately buried now why would

597
00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:49,240
they deliberately bury it was it to

598
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,460
preserve a library or a museum

599
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:55,039
you know their culture for us today that

600
00:29:59,129 --> 00:29:57,529
is certainly one idea they didn't want

601
00:30:01,749 --> 00:29:59,139
it damaged maybe they knew some

602
00:30:04,029 --> 00:30:01,759
celestial event was about to kick off

603
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,039
and they needed to save the site which

604
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,039
is also a brilliant theory too as well

605
00:30:14,259 --> 00:30:09,200
why do you think it was deliberately

606
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:14,269
buried if we look at the other aspects

607
00:30:19,810 --> 00:30:16,129
of the symbolic tradition that this

608
00:30:20,980 --> 00:30:19,820
connects to the the later ones that

609
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:20,990
connect to written language where they

610
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:23,840
can tell us what they were thinking we

611
00:30:28,029 --> 00:30:25,460
understand that the knowledge that's

612
00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:28,039
being that underlies the whole thing is

613
00:30:32,649 --> 00:30:30,169
aimed at a technological audience only

614
00:30:34,810 --> 00:30:32,659
somebody who had access to a microscope

615
00:30:36,539 --> 00:30:34,820
or to a telescope was ever going to

616
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:36,549
understand what the symbolism was about

617
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:41,360
so at you know 9,000 or 10,000 BC that's

618
00:30:44,859 --> 00:30:43,129
a future audience that's an unknown

619
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:44,869
future audience didn't know one would be

620
00:30:49,299 --> 00:30:46,100
able to predict how far in the future

621
00:30:52,269 --> 00:30:49,309
that might be but if the whole goal was

622
00:30:55,659 --> 00:30:52,279
to aim at that future audience then it's

623
00:30:57,730 --> 00:30:55,669
in the mindset to cover over a site and

624
00:31:00,489 --> 00:30:57,740
preserve it for that same future

625
00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:00,499
audience now there again there are lots

626
00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:01,820
of different theories here I think

627
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:05,720
sharks outlook is that that fell just

628
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:09,350
before some major energetic cataclysms

629
00:31:14,499 --> 00:31:12,409
connected to the Sun and that the site

630
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:14,509
was buried to preserve it

631
00:31:21,489 --> 00:31:17,990
I can see sense in that outlook because

632
00:31:23,379 --> 00:31:21,499
we know that we have underground cities

633
00:31:26,649 --> 00:31:23,389
in the in the same region and Cappadocia

634
00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:26,659
region mm-hmm why would entire groups of

635
00:31:29,950 --> 00:31:28,429
people choose to live underground if

636
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:29,960
there weren't if conditions on the

637
00:31:34,419 --> 00:31:32,330
surface were still as livable as there

638
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,429
right now there so that there makes that

639
00:31:40,659 --> 00:31:37,519
make sense to me what doesn't make sense

640
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:40,669
to me is if you knew that a cataclysm

641
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,100
was coming and you have a choice between

642
00:31:47,259 --> 00:31:44,960
spending the time between down when it

643
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:47,269
hits preparing for to preparing your

644
00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:48,710
family for it and making sure everybody

645
00:31:53,859 --> 00:31:52,190
you knew was safe or protecting the one

646
00:31:56,379 --> 00:31:53,869
thing in your culture that was most

647
00:31:59,019 --> 00:31:56,389
likely that with standeth which would

648
00:32:00,430 --> 00:31:59,029
you pick I wouldn't choose to devote all

649
00:32:01,690 --> 00:32:00,440
my attention to the thing that's likely

650
00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:01,700
to withstand it anyway

651
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:03,950
okay let's okay there's a lot of

652
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:06,289
evidence that supports both

653
00:32:11,649 --> 00:32:09,950
right and the the amount of airspace

654
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:11,659
between the different various theories

655
00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:13,190
is not all that great I mean we're all

656
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:14,900
in the same ballpark under the same

657
00:32:22,269 --> 00:32:19,130
umbrella so sort of nitpicking but also

658
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:22,279
I judged by another very important site

659
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:23,870
that was deliberately buried over that

660
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:28,010
was on Orkney Island around 2600 BC and

661
00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:30,890
this is north of Scotland where sites

662
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:32,390
were deliberately buried but when they

663
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:35,510
buried them they also left symbolic they

664
00:32:39,789 --> 00:32:37,190
left symbols all around us around the

665
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:39,799
site before they buried it that tell us

666
00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:41,950
some things about why they buried it and

667
00:32:49,810 --> 00:32:47,390
the implication is ok I have to back up

668
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,820
a little bit here at gobekli tepe we had

669
00:32:52,810 --> 00:32:51,440
those circular structures that were

670
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:52,820
carved out where they have the stone

671
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,649
benches and the two pillars in the

672
00:32:58,990 --> 00:32:56,960
center and the carvings on the pillars

673
00:33:03,580 --> 00:32:59,000
and you have what looked like this

674
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:03,590
series of circular sites you know dozens

675
00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:05,809
of them that are are being excavated

676
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:09,169
there that configuration of a site the

677
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:13,370
Dogon referred to by the term Ark now so

678
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:16,640
gobekli tepe is literally an ark on a

679
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:21,250
hillside near Ararat that's right and

680
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:27,200
let's say that the symbolism is there at

681
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:29,240
gobekli tepe but we just don't

682
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:33,080
understand it right ok so so now that

683
00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:35,330
word Ark is an Egyptian word that means

684
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,880
to cover over right and when you look at

685
00:33:41,889 --> 00:33:39,200
that word you look at the symbols of

686
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:41,899
that word the symbols of that word act

687
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:45,049
out a ritual they they spell out the

688
00:33:49,419 --> 00:33:46,940
stages of a ritual that survives in

689
00:33:50,919 --> 00:33:49,429
Judaism and Judaism every day and every

690
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:50,929
temple around the Jewish temple around

691
00:33:54,610 --> 00:33:51,470
the world

692
00:33:57,159 --> 00:33:54,620
they read a section of the Torah scroll

693
00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:57,169
and it's timed that they all read the

694
00:34:00,159 --> 00:33:58,760
same section on the same day and it's

695
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:00,169
time so that they get all the way

696
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:01,970
through the Torah scroll in the course

697
00:34:05,769 --> 00:34:03,620
of a year and at the end of the year

698
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:05,779
that they they rewind the scroll scroll

699
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:07,490
and put it away but every day when they

700
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:09,649
finish reading that one portion what

701
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,030
they do is they deliberately and

702
00:34:15,890 --> 00:34:13,760
carefully cover over that scroll and set

703
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:15,900
it back in a cabinet called an

704
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:19,970
ha kodesh which gets abbreviated to arc

705
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:25,350
so if that is the case then we have to

706
00:34:32,390 --> 00:34:28,410
ask why I'm pretty ISM the reason they

707
00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:32,400
do it the symbolism is this is a way of

708
00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:34,830
designating that the instructional goal

709
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:37,680
for this portion of what we were trying

710
00:34:42,170 --> 00:34:39,690
to do was brought to its proper

711
00:34:43,340 --> 00:34:42,180
completion if it hadn't been we wouldn't

712
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:43,350
have gotten to the part where we cover

713
00:34:48,890 --> 00:34:46,560
it over and put it away but ok wait let

714
00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:48,900
me jump in this is great stuff I feel

715
00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:51,860
smarter already but if that is the case

716
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:55,790
then it would be an extraordinarily

717
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,220
important site for them that so

718
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:01,500
important that they would want to bury

719
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:02,760
it and preserve it

720
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,250
and and family and everything else comes

721
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,640
second that would make sense to me right

722
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,800
and it's not clear that the site was

723
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,500
buried before the Cataclysm happened and

724
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:14,940
because they were talking about a span

725
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:17,220
of about a thousand years the site was

726
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:18,660
are sensibly and used for about a

727
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:22,290
thousand years so it could be that the

728
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:24,120
Cataclysm happened and was over and by

729
00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:25,710
then when at the time it was over then

730
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:28,080
the community decided it was time to

731
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:30,930
bury over the site but symbolically the

732
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:32,850
act of burying it says to me as a

733
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:35,400
symbolist it says look the thing we were

734
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:36,630
trying to accomplish in the way of

735
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:38,850
educating people was brought to its

736
00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:40,290
proper conclusion here it didn't get

737
00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:42,360
interrupted we were able to do what we

738
00:35:45,860 --> 00:35:44,340
were intended to do and then we covered

739
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,870
it over and part of the reason we

740
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:47,520
covered it over is so that you'll be

741
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:49,590
able to see that we finished that now

742
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:52,710
and talking about symbolism let's talk

743
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:55,290
about what appears to be a zodiac and

744
00:36:03,290 --> 00:35:59,210
the first time that I saw that pillar I

745
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:03,300
I immediately jumped at zodiac that it

746
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:08,040
was rather apparent to me do you see a

747
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:12,510
zodiac there I'm an agreement with

748
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:15,210
French anthropologists who studied an

749
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:16,740
African tribe that I work with called

750
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:19,830
the Dogon and in the Dogon system the

751
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:22,230
French anthropologists noticed that all

752
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:24,660
of the elements that eventually became a

753
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,510
zodiac were were evident right at around

754
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:29,280
3,000 BC and

755
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:32,970
and culture so yes this is the same

756
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:35,310
symbolic system for me I trace the one

757
00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:38,010
I'm studying from gobekli tepe I expect

758
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:40,080
to see the elements of a Zodiac there I

759
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:41,880
understand that those didn't get pulled

760
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:44,610
together into a coherent form as far as

761
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:46,110
we know until about the time of the

762
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:47,970
Babylonians which is much later right

763
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,910
well I referred you know to the zodiac

764
00:36:57,860 --> 00:36:54,000
in in dendara on the ceiling there but

765
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,870
yes no matter how we take a look at that

766
00:37:05,240 --> 00:36:59,760
if that wasn't for another eight

767
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,250
thousand years so how is it possible I

768
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:07,680
seriously want your insight on this your

769
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:09,960
opinion how is it possible that a

770
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:12,290
culture eight thousand years before

771
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:16,800
could develop the symbolism of a zodiac

772
00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:20,640
from celestial bodies and have it

773
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:24,360
represented the exact same way with the

774
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:27,360
same animals and the same symbolism that

775
00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:31,290
seems to me to be impossible okay well

776
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:33,270
let me explain that in the way I

777
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:36,300
understand it back one okay we there are

778
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:38,010
certain civilizing skills that we can

779
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:40,290
see we're being instructed at the Quebec

780
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:42,150
leap today we just we listed them Rhys

781
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:43,530
earlier you know we're talking about

782
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:45,900
metallurgy and stone masonry and so on

783
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:47,730
but there are also other civilizing

784
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,760
skills some that are essential to

785
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,280
agriculture that we can't see we don't

786
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:55,320
have stone evidence of one of those is

787
00:38:03,770 --> 00:37:57,900
the ability to keep time and keep a

788
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,780
calendar now in ancient times okay

789
00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:05,640
especially in the Buddhist tradition the

790
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:08,670
first exercise they teach a Buddhist

791
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:12,810
initiate is geometry that essentially

792
00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:16,620
creates sundial and that sundial allows

793
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:19,080
a person to track the hours of a day

794
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,030
over the course of a day by watching the

795
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:22,560
shadows you know the Sun we're all

796
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:23,820
familiar with how the sundial works

797
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:27,330
right but the same geometry also allows

798
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:30,330
them to plot an east-west oriented line

799
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:32,850
every day than if they plotted every day

800
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:37,050
using shadows they can watch that shadow

801
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:39,330
move day by day further and further

802
00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:42,490
north until it reaches the Solstice

803
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:44,920
and then back south again again through

804
00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:47,530
the center of a geometric circle at the

805
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:49,960
equinox and then continues southward

806
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,310
until the next solar system that it

807
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:53,920
moves back it gives visibility to the

808
00:38:59,010 --> 00:38:56,650
seasons of the year the same way that

809
00:39:01,410 --> 00:38:59,020
the shadow of the gnomon gives

810
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:01,420
visibility to the hours of the day on a

811
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:02,520
daily basis

812
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:07,210
so these timekeeping okay now that all

813
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,580
takes into consideration the concept of

814
00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:12,119
keeping time during the daytime however

815
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,590
there are also reasons why we need to

816
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:16,720
know what time it is at night and that's

817
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:20,290
done in a different way that's done by

818
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:24,030
defining the concept of constellations

819
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:29,170
set at hour-long intervals apart from

820
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:30,820
each other at night so that we can watch

821
00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:32,680
these constellations will arise on the

822
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:34,780
horizon and an hour later we see the

823
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:37,150
next constellation rise an hour later we

824
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:38,770
see the next constellation rise now we

825
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,010
have a clock to go by at night the

826
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:45,520
symbolism for those constellations was

827
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:47,740
represented in terms of animals the same

828
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:49,510
way that symbolism on the pillars was

829
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:52,540
represented in terms of animals so this

830
00:39:56,609 --> 00:39:54,940
was a very early feature of this

831
00:39:58,590 --> 00:39:56,619
cosmological tradition the reason

832
00:40:00,690 --> 00:39:58,600
everybody had it was because that's how

833
00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:00,700
everybody was taught to tell time now

834
00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:04,840
that that works for me at 3000 BC okay

835
00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:08,080
that concept works for me we if we back

836
00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:11,560
up theirs we can bring up nap to playa

837
00:40:19,859 --> 00:40:16,300
napped apply a 7000 BC a calendar out in

838
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:19,869
the middle of the desert in Egypt and

839
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:23,170
okay so now we're pushing technology

840
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:31,770
gobekli tepe and understanding what is

841
00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:35,080
going on at night I have a hard time

842
00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:37,600
with that unless they were taught unless

843
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:39,550
they already had this knowledge they

844
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:42,580
were exposed to what constellations were

845
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:45,180
how to follow them because Stone Age man

846
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:48,190
isn't gonna have that ability

847
00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:50,410
you know what I did last night Laird

848
00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:55,950
last night I got out my my iPhone

849
00:41:01,880 --> 00:40:59,240
that has night sky on it right a

850
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,890
real-time map of the heavens and you can

851
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:04,020
track any star and anything it's all

852
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:05,790
there and I'm sitting there with Rita

853
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:08,460
last night we were waiting for this for

854
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:10,200
this constellation to appear and the

855
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:12,650
moon it was a full moon last night and

856
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:15,900
we got tired of waiting this stuff

857
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:22,740
doesn't move and and I I always picture

858
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:26,700
how ancient man looked up to the heavens

859
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:30,900
and understood this I have I have the

860
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:33,960
ability to do it with technology right I

861
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:37,140
have books I have people I have you to

862
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:39,450
tell me how this is done I go out there

863
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,410
underneath the Stars

864
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:42,900
I don't have the patience for it I don't

865
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:44,850
know how she does take patience but you

866
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:47,010
realize that back in the day they had

867
00:41:52,070 --> 00:41:50,310
nothing to do but look at the sky yeah

868
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:52,080
they could sit around the campfire they

869
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:55,050
could tell stories that's about you know

870
00:41:59,240 --> 00:41:57,030
we realize I said had our power go out

871
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,250
this week for a period of time it didn't

872
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:00,480
come back on until around 2:00 in the

873
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:02,250
morning and we got a chance to

874
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:04,980
experience one more time firsthand what

875
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:07,260
is like what life is like when you know

876
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,790
when none of the normal things that are

877
00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:10,680
available to a modern society or it's

878
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:12,840
possible to do you know you're sitting

879
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:15,290
but by candlelight and by

880
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:18,420
battery-powered light and trying to read

881
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:19,950
a book or trying to do anything you

882
00:42:27,350 --> 00:42:22,920
would normally do now yeah there is

883
00:42:30,350 --> 00:42:27,360
nothing more fun than going out without

884
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:30,360
any light pollution and just rocking

885
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:33,150
your head back and looking straight up

886
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:35,430
there is nothing better there's nothing

887
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,910
if you're you don't stop looking up when

888
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:40,380
you're in that position there's no doubt

889
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:43,170
about it for them it was their 4k

890
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:46,590
high-definition cinematic experience was

891
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:48,690
going out at night and looking agree

892
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:51,720
completely we heard a talk last week by

893
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:53,940
an astronomer who was talking about the

894
00:42:58,850 --> 00:42:56,310
do tests telescope that's up there

895
00:43:00,850 --> 00:42:58,860
that's mapping it's actually searching

896
00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:00,860
for earth-like planets very close to

897
00:43:06,110 --> 00:43:03,750
stars yep great very nearby the earth

898
00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:06,120
mm-hmm the woman presented us with an

899
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:09,080
image taken of a region of

900
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:11,210
I with absolutely no light pollution

901
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:12,650
there here's what it really looks like

902
00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:15,980
you know we see 100 stars they see 100

903
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,380
stars in the square inch yes and it was

904
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:20,240
such a compelling image that my wife

905
00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:22,610
reso first thing she wanted to do when

906
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:24,350
we came back was to print a copy of it

907
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:26,530
so she could have it to look at it's

908
00:43:32,070 --> 00:43:28,940
incredible we could spend a whole show

909
00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:32,080
on that I it's it's my the greatest

910
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:35,420
amount of research time that I do right

911
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:39,410
now is cosmology and an astrophysics and

912
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:41,450
what is actually going on up there tests

913
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:44,300
is a game-changer there's there's no

914
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:45,830
doubt about it and the imaging coming

915
00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:48,580
back is is it's it's unbelievable

916
00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:51,140
extraordinary isn't even a strong enough

917
00:44:00,670 --> 00:43:57,070
word how unbelievable it is now back to

918
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:00,680
gobekli tepe and the reason why i want

919
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:03,880
to stay on the zodiac and the idea of

920
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:06,380
identifying what is going on up in the

921
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:09,260
heavens at that period of time would

922
00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:12,710
suggest to me you know nothing is

923
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:14,470
discovered everything is taught

924
00:44:18,610 --> 00:44:16,610
everything is taught it doesn't matter

925
00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:18,620
really what it is somebody taught you

926
00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:21,620
something discoveries are singular I

927
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:23,720
don't think that they discover the

928
00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:27,530
zodiac or her no I agree that and the

929
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:29,120
perspective of the ancient cultures I

930
00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:30,710
study is when you get to the bottom of

931
00:44:34,660 --> 00:44:32,750
it they say look in ancient times

932
00:44:39,070 --> 00:44:34,670
someone who thoroughly understood this

933
00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:39,080
taught it to it that's it I mean that's

934
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:40,460
it there's no other way to look at it

935
00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:43,400
right right nothing that makes sense to

936
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:46,070
me now who would have taught that

937
00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:49,370
culture you know on the Armenian

938
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:53,540
Highland at 10,000 BC right after the

939
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,210
Ice Age you know that's that's the other

940
00:45:00,970 --> 00:44:58,880
thing that is that starts to baffle

941
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:00,980
everything but who would that culture

942
00:45:07,570 --> 00:45:04,610
have been huh that's true well that's

943
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:07,580
what ties into the perspective of people

944
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:10,490
like John Anthony Wes and Graham Hancock

945
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:14,150
who are compelled to believe that these

946
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:16,520
were survivors of a culture that

947
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,310
understood the science because the end

948
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:22,000
of the Ice Age is a moment where

949
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:23,740
we're geologically the seas would rise

950
00:45:30,089 --> 00:45:27,700
and cultures would be inundated and bad

951
00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:30,099
things would happen and where someone

952
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:32,740
might need a fresh start as a matter of

953
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:35,050
fact where the ancient Egyptians talked

954
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:37,780
about a first time and the Buddhists

955
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,060
talk about the first time that knowledge

956
00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:43,119
was transmitted to humanity by a Buddha

957
00:45:49,530 --> 00:45:45,550
the Dogon talked about a time when

958
00:45:53,849 --> 00:45:49,540
humanity was restored to culture so the

959
00:45:55,890 --> 00:45:53,859
Dogon perspective is automatically one

960
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:55,900
of look this is not the first time

961
00:45:59,730 --> 00:45:57,730
humanity has been has risen to a high

962
00:46:03,690 --> 00:45:59,740
level of culture we've been restored to

963
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:03,700
it in the past so our use okay if we if

964
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:06,010
we go with that concept and and

965
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:10,030
certainly the survivors from another

966
00:46:16,770 --> 00:46:13,720
event and we have the Ice Age there are

967
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:16,780
we pushing back things did it was this

968
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,200
culture fifty thousand years old was

969
00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:22,720
this culture a hunt survivors from a

970
00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:26,230
hundred thousand years prior and we have

971
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,270
no way of judging that is our problem

972
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:31,599
because the I say age serves as an

973
00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:33,730
effective block to evidence that's right

974
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:37,960
that's right and and it it allows I mean

975
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:43,060
for me almost any theory any idea needs

976
00:46:48,329 --> 00:46:44,890
to be listened to here because none of

977
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,339
it makes any sense right well none of it

978
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:49,839
makes any sense in terms of what we've

979
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:53,290
been traditionally taught that and any

980
00:46:56,609 --> 00:46:55,210
and any idea we're gonna entertain here

981
00:46:59,339 --> 00:46:56,619
is gonna step outside of our comfort

982
00:47:00,570 --> 00:46:59,349
zone in one way or another and and are

983
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:00,580
you okay with that

984
00:47:08,579 --> 00:47:05,380
and why isn't academia science and an

985
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:08,589
anthropology is supposed to be about

986
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:11,140
asking questions and fixing it and

987
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:13,300
moving on science is nothing but a

988
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:17,770
string of things that broke and and I'm

989
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:19,330
talking about math I'm talking about

990
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:22,150
ideas and theories that were corrected

991
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:25,030
and fine-tuned found to be wrong moved

992
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,670
on it's one string of asking questions

993
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:29,920
otherwise we'd still have a flat earth

994
00:47:35,309 --> 00:47:33,250
right we're if that's the way we

995
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:35,319
we would be dealing with things but we

996
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:38,440
correct things why don't they go back

997
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,230
and correct this and ask questions and

998
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,839
try to figure out how this all happened

999
00:47:48,089 --> 00:47:45,760
to begin with why don't they do that why

1000
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,099
are they afraid of asking questions well

1001
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:49,599
they've done too good job too good a job

1002
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:53,680
of structuring the fields of study that

1003
00:47:59,039 --> 00:47:56,559
your average researcher might trip to to

1004
00:48:02,640 --> 00:47:59,049
these ideas might even consider them

1005
00:48:04,859 --> 00:48:02,650
very seriously in their own privacy but

1006
00:48:06,539 --> 00:48:04,869
the structures of academia don't really

1007
00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:06,549
allow them the freedom very often to

1008
00:48:10,049 --> 00:48:08,380
step outside of the boundaries and

1009
00:48:12,359 --> 00:48:10,059
propose that something that's really

1010
00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:12,369
off-the-wall might be true and and we

1011
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:15,220
have evidence of this mindset just about

1012
00:48:21,809 --> 00:48:17,470
every turn that we take throughout

1013
00:48:23,730 --> 00:48:21,819
history don't we right I mean and it's

1014
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:23,740
evidence very often you can point to

1015
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:25,630
point a scientist too and say look at

1016
00:48:29,549 --> 00:48:27,910
here's where your perspective on things

1017
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:29,559
doesn't add up for me could you explain

1018
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:31,619
it to me I have a friend who wasn't as a

1019
00:48:36,359 --> 00:48:34,930
graduate student in astrophysics who

1020
00:48:38,849 --> 00:48:36,369
reached a point of frustration with his

1021
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:38,859
his professors because every time he

1022
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:39,910
would come down to one of those

1023
00:48:43,799 --> 00:48:42,190
questions where he'd say but what do you

1024
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:43,809
mean we have to take dimensions as a

1025
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:46,390
given huh why doesn't why aren't our

1026
00:48:50,849 --> 00:48:48,730
definitions defined in a way that

1027
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:50,859
explained to us where dimensions come

1028
00:48:56,670 --> 00:48:53,410
from he would get what he considered to

1029
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:56,680
be BS answers from his professors and he

1030
00:48:59,880 --> 00:48:57,940
finally said look and I can't take this

1031
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,890
anymore I'm gonna go reformulate the

1032
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:02,079
system for myself working from the

1033
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:04,200
ground up and see what I can produce and

1034
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,510
if we we haven't even talked what we're

1035
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:10,480
gonna get into Egypt next here after the

1036
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:15,640
break but if we just accepted everything

1037
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:18,130
the way it is written today we don't

1038
00:49:24,809 --> 00:49:21,849
move forward right if we accept Egypt if

1039
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:24,819
we accept Mesopotamia if we accept you

1040
00:49:28,769 --> 00:49:27,160
know because they want to say and I'm

1041
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:28,779
talking about archaeologists and

1042
00:49:33,779 --> 00:49:30,490
anthropologists and historians that

1043
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,789
study culture they just their answer is

1044
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:36,880
a blanket statement well you're not

1045
00:49:42,029 --> 00:49:40,210
giving enough credit to ancient man you

1046
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:42,039
know they were actually more creative

1047
00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:45,160
that and that's their answer there's a

1048
00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:46,860
scientific

1049
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:49,360
significance to that type of answer but

1050
00:49:55,110 --> 00:49:51,910
it's their fall back for anything that

1051
00:49:56,940 --> 00:49:55,120
is skeptical isn't it we had that and

1052
00:49:59,490 --> 00:49:56,950
because of the situation there and

1053
00:50:00,990 --> 00:49:59,500
professionally it really has to be and

1054
00:50:02,610 --> 00:50:01,000
that's one of the things I like about

1055
00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:02,620
being involved in a group of our

1056
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,740
alternative researchers is that we're in

1057
00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:08,800
a position to be able to entertain an

1058
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,750
idea that falls outside the bounds of

1059
00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:12,880
what any traditional researcher would

1060
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:14,980
look at and follow it and chase it and

1061
00:50:18,570 --> 00:50:17,260
try to find the ways you know test

1062
00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:18,580
whether it makes sense or it doesn't

1063
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:21,550
make sense and not be limited by by some

1064
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:24,250
authorities sense of what we should or

1065
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,950
shouldn't be looking at now one last

1066
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:28,960
question about gobekli tepe when we come

1067
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:31,900
back we'll jump into Egypt next but with

1068
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:32,950
gobekli tepe

1069
00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:35,230
and the symbolism that is there that is

1070
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:38,740
your area of expertise are you leaning

1071
00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:43,150
on a religious site are you leaning on

1072
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:48,040
something more astrological or is it

1073
00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:49,590
something else altogether

1074
00:50:56,460 --> 00:50:53,740
it's my perspective on things comes out

1075
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,470
of an ancient philosophy in India called

1076
00:51:03,440 --> 00:50:59,760
samkhya it's a companion to yoga and

1077
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:03,450
it's a philosophy that's expressly

1078
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:06,040
non-theistic it's its scientific in

1079
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:10,950
Outlook and it starts with the

1080
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:13,150
understanding that universes form in

1081
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:15,400
pairs one non material in one material

1082
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:16,990
then it discusses the relationship

1083
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:21,040
between those two universes and how the

1084
00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:22,750
dynamics of energy work between those

1085
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:26,860
universes so my perspective I would call

1086
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:28,930
okay there is certainly a spiritual

1087
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:31,360
aspect to that especially if you are

1088
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,130
going to equate the term non material

1089
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:36,400
with spiritual which in many times they

1090
00:51:44,940 --> 00:51:42,400
can be synonymous so my perspective is

1091
00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:44,950
essentially that it's at the the roots

1092
00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:47,380
of religion but it's not religious in

1093
00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:49,240
the traditional sense are you running

1094
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,420
this is Zambia has the same outlook as

1095
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:00,319
yoga does is every practice all the same

1096
00:52:04,509 --> 00:52:02,450
concepts applied I have a daughter who

1097
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:04,519
studies yoga and she'll come and explain

1098
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:06,260
the concept to me that you learned from

1099
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:08,510
a yoga instructor and at some advanced

1100
00:52:12,009 --> 00:52:10,490
concept and she'll start the sentence

1101
00:52:13,539 --> 00:52:12,019
and I'll finish it because the terms are

1102
00:52:15,819 --> 00:52:13,549
all the same I know what they mean

1103
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:15,829
cosmologically and I could apply that to

1104
00:52:21,609 --> 00:52:17,690
what she's saying to yoga it's all the

1105
00:52:23,319 --> 00:52:21,619
same stuff this is not religious in the

1106
00:52:25,150 --> 00:52:23,329
modern traditional sense of it it's

1107
00:52:28,089 --> 00:52:25,160
religious in the sense that that

1108
00:52:32,829 --> 00:52:28,099
Buddhism or Hinduism is probably the

1109
00:52:35,049 --> 00:52:32,839
closest to the mindset it's not Buddhism

1110
00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:35,059
is not about celebration of a deity but

1111
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:37,660
it is about understanding how creation

1112
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:42,049
and okay I understand you want to be

1113
00:52:46,839 --> 00:52:44,329
non-committal okay that's fine because

1114
00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:46,849
we don't really understand but when I

1115
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:51,260
look at it I I let my imagination go and

1116
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:52,240
laird

1117
00:52:57,759 --> 00:52:55,640
gobekli tepe makes no sense to me it

1118
00:52:59,859 --> 00:52:57,769
doesn't make it doesn't make any it

1119
00:53:03,519 --> 00:52:59,869
doesn't make any sense I want it to be

1120
00:53:06,249 --> 00:53:03,529
celestial I want it to be et I wanted to

1121
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:06,259
be a lids I wanted to be religious I

1122
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,710
want it to be something but I can't get

1123
00:53:14,769 --> 00:53:11,359
there with any direction

1124
00:53:17,049 --> 00:53:14,779
well the Buddhists say their most sacred

1125
00:53:20,589 --> 00:53:17,059
symbols came from a nonhuman source

1126
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:20,599
right the Dogon say not only was it

1127
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:24,190
non-human it was originally non material

1128
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:27,849
so the Dogon outlook is not of

1129
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:30,529
traditional sci-fi aliens although there

1130
00:53:33,730 --> 00:53:32,630
are perspectives that potentially tied

1131
00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:33,740
to that mm-hmm

1132
00:53:38,799 --> 00:53:36,140
the official Dogon perspective is one of

1133
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:38,809
more of endor interdimensional t between

1134
00:53:45,339 --> 00:53:40,910
two non material and material universe

1135
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:45,349
then of spaceships coming from Sirius

1136
00:53:51,099 --> 00:53:48,200
yeah and I've got to take a break right

1137
00:53:54,509 --> 00:53:51,109
here but this is for me collectively

1138
00:54:00,370 --> 00:53:54,519
what is so amazing about gobekli tepe is

1139
00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:00,380
the leaders of that culture convinced

1140
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:05,000
the civilization that it was more

1141
00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:06,650
important that that sight was so

1142
00:54:11,830 --> 00:54:08,120
important that

1143
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:11,840
it had to get built and if you think

1144
00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:14,170
about the commitment of resources

1145
00:54:19,870 --> 00:54:17,000
because it wasn't I don't I doubt it was

1146
00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:19,880
a city of 10,000 people right

1147
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,260
it's collectively they had to make the

1148
00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:26,240
building of that site which must have

1149
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:28,460
taken you know a couple of thousand

1150
00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:32,120
years right to build it that it had to

1151
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:35,390
take precedence over everything else so

1152
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:38,870
what was so important it's crazy

1153
00:54:42,810 --> 00:54:40,310
we're going back from break I'll give

1154
00:54:45,490 --> 00:54:42,820
you two sentence perspective on that

1155
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:45,500
let's let's take our break right here

1156
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:47,570
I'm already running late our guest

1157
00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:49,610
tonight is Laird Scranton we're doing it

1158
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:50,870
all tonight gobekli tepe

1159
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:52,970
we're gonna discuss Egypt and we're

1160
00:54:56,620 --> 00:54:55,310
gonna get some Velikovsky in this is

1161
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:56,630
fade to black our meals Jimmy Church

1162
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,130
we'll be right back up to the short

1163
00:55:39,059 --> 00:55:36,520
[Music]

1164
00:55:41,169 --> 00:55:39,069
[Applause]

1165
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:41,179
welcome back fade the block I'm your

1166
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:43,249
host Jimmy Church what a great week

1167
00:55:50,849 --> 00:55:46,689
we've got and tonight Laird Scranton

1168
00:55:52,359 --> 00:55:50,859
tomorrow night Freddie Silva right here

1169
00:55:55,779 --> 00:55:52,369
Wednesday night

1170
00:55:57,189 --> 00:55:55,789
Francisco OSA and then Thursday night

1171
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,199
we're not gonna do fader and I won't be

1172
00:56:01,359 --> 00:55:59,359
open lines Thursday night we're gonna do

1173
00:56:03,099 --> 00:56:01,369
the film extraordinary here is

1174
00:56:05,499 --> 00:56:03,109
extraordinary the seating with a

1175
00:56:08,229 --> 00:56:05,509
director Jo supple he's going to be here

1176
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:08,239
as well as the writer Jack Roth and

1177
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,890
we're going to discuss the making of the

1178
00:56:15,459 --> 00:56:11,599
film and its possible impact on

1179
00:56:16,959 --> 00:56:15,469
audiences worldwide and it's a and its

1180
00:56:19,449 --> 00:56:16,969
release we'll be talking about all of

1181
00:56:21,489 --> 00:56:19,459
that on Thursday but tonight it is Laird

1182
00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:21,499
Scranton now Laird I want to talk about

1183
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:24,380
suppress history I don't think anything

1184
00:56:30,939 --> 00:56:27,049
has been more effective than Egypt and

1185
00:56:34,989 --> 00:56:30,949
an ancient Egypt and I find it so easy

1186
00:56:39,609 --> 00:56:34,999
to go there why are each of tala gist so

1187
00:56:41,409 --> 00:56:39,619
so quick to just follow the dogma well

1188
00:56:46,089 --> 00:56:41,419
there there is where sort of where the

1189
00:56:47,949 --> 00:56:46,099
pattern was set for turf academic turf

1190
00:56:50,589 --> 00:56:47,959
and academic theories that needed

1191
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:50,599
protecting large investments in a

1192
00:56:56,589 --> 00:56:54,319
particular perspective competitive egos

1193
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:56,599
who wanted to be the ones credited with

1194
00:57:00,519 --> 00:56:58,130
making a particular discovery and you

1195
00:57:02,709 --> 00:57:00,529
get a lot of you know boundaries

1196
00:57:04,959 --> 00:57:02,719
academic boundaries between fields of

1197
00:57:07,269 --> 00:57:04,969
study and so forth that's sort of where

1198
00:57:10,749 --> 00:57:07,279
the the pattern was set that we see in

1199
00:57:15,729 --> 00:57:10,759
some other areas of academic so that was

1200
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:15,739
sort of ripe for protecting restricting

1201
00:57:19,959 --> 00:57:17,209
certain knowledge to certain people

1202
00:57:22,029 --> 00:57:19,969
zowie howís is a person who plays cards

1203
00:57:24,459 --> 00:57:22,039
very close to his chest about

1204
00:57:26,829 --> 00:57:24,469
discoveries surely he knows things about

1205
00:57:28,749 --> 00:57:26,839
the Giza Plateau that he isn't being you

1206
00:57:33,189 --> 00:57:28,759
know always immediately forthcoming

1207
00:57:34,419 --> 00:57:33,199
about it's hard to say what the ultimate

1208
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:34,429
motive is I think that there's

1209
00:57:40,289 --> 00:57:37,369
information here that is very

1210
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,299
significant from my point of view is

1211
00:57:45,819 --> 00:57:42,319
fundamentally it fundamentally belongs

1212
00:57:47,409 --> 00:57:45,829
to humanity in the same way that it's

1213
00:57:50,109 --> 00:57:47,419
the fundamental right of a person if

1214
00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:50,119
they find a seed on the ground to try to

1215
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,380
plant it try to

1216
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:53,119
something to grow from it if they handle

1217
00:57:57,549 --> 00:57:55,609
it properly that's a fundamental human

1218
00:57:59,950 --> 00:57:57,559
right if someone tried to corner the

1219
00:58:03,099 --> 00:57:59,960
market on seeds I would say that's a

1220
00:58:04,539 --> 00:58:03,109
violation of of humanity in the same way

1221
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:04,549
that trying to that corner of the market

1222
00:58:12,059 --> 00:58:07,849
on ancient knowledge would be I just

1223
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:12,069
watched a documentary on the MU on

1224
00:58:17,049 --> 00:58:15,049
experiments by both Japanese groups that

1225
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,059
went in and you know found the new

1226
00:58:21,970 --> 00:58:19,119
chamber above the Grand Gallery the

1227
00:58:25,299 --> 00:58:21,980
documentary this was on a PBS might have

1228
00:58:29,230 --> 00:58:25,309
been Nova pretty extraordinary but this

1229
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:29,240
is what I did see za he has managed to

1230
00:58:37,870 --> 00:58:34,180
wiggle his way back into the antiquities

1231
00:58:39,579 --> 00:58:37,880
part of the Egyptian government and what

1232
00:58:42,579 --> 00:58:39,589
was interesting though and I'm not

1233
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:42,589
making this up Laird when he walked out

1234
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:47,119
a hallway or into a room they everybody

1235
00:58:53,230 --> 00:58:49,130
around they were like dropping to their

1236
00:58:57,609 --> 00:58:53,240
knees and bowing like freaking out you

1237
00:58:59,920 --> 00:58:57,619
know it's I yeah I was just his ego is

1238
00:59:02,349 --> 00:58:59,930
so out of control

1239
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:02,359
he's stopping and starting meetings that

1240
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:04,130
he has nothing to do with technically

1241
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:07,490
he's not part of it anymore and and he

1242
00:59:14,049 --> 00:59:10,970
is controlling what was going on and how

1243
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:14,059
this Mulan experiment and and testing

1244
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:18,130
was going to occur all from outside of

1245
00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:21,500
the antiquities Department it was it was

1246
00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:23,720
crazy to watch and witness this guy is

1247
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:25,960
is way out of control

1248
00:59:32,170 --> 00:59:29,119
well speaking of my friend john anthony

1249
00:59:35,289 --> 00:59:32,180
wes again he he had respect for zowie I

1250
00:59:37,870 --> 00:59:35,299
mean he I know the two of them had had

1251
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,880
their differences and fairly significant

1252
00:59:42,759 --> 00:59:39,680
differences but in the end John would

1253
00:59:44,650 --> 00:59:42,769
say you know so it's always okay if you

1254
00:59:46,509 --> 00:59:44,660
understand him and what you know what

1255
00:59:51,069 --> 00:59:46,519
where he's coming from and what he's

1256
00:59:52,539 --> 00:59:51,079
trying to accomplish so it's not a it's

1257
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:52,549
not like a cut-and-dried issue there

1258
00:59:57,249 --> 00:59:55,130
this is a complicated man and there's a

1259
00:59:59,380 --> 00:59:57,259
lot there to understand about him well I

1260
01:00:02,870 --> 00:59:59,390
did you see that I don't want to stay on

1261
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:02,880
on him too much here because I'm just

1262
01:00:12,769 --> 01:00:07,230
to inflame the audience but the the the

1263
01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:12,779
video of Graham Hancock speaking to

1264
01:00:19,999 --> 01:00:17,220
Hawass about gobekli tepe and how

1265
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:20,009
important it was and and how wasps turns

1266
01:00:23,180 --> 01:00:21,180
to crab because what are you talking

1267
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:23,190
I've never heard of this gobekli tepe

1268
01:00:31,809 --> 01:00:29,220
and it's as I do stop with that only

1269
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,819
because it interferes with their dogma

1270
01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:34,079
well yes sir because the same way that

1271
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:35,819
that individual and individual academic

1272
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:39,089
might have and he goes so do individual

1273
01:00:45,609 --> 01:00:42,299
countries and Egypt does not want its

1274
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:45,619
place as the premier ancient

1275
01:00:51,529 --> 01:00:48,720
civilization to be knocked out of the

1276
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:51,539
seat that makes sense

1277
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,420
it does it makes sense and this poor

1278
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:56,640
audience is so drunk right now go back

1279
01:01:04,269 --> 01:00:57,420
into tepee

1280
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:04,279
but okay so back to Egypt the the

1281
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:07,950
significance of the Great Pyramid and

1282
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:11,460
its lack of hieroglyphics of any kind

1283
01:01:21,380 --> 01:01:17,609
right except for the purported graffiti

1284
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:21,390
let's just go with graffiti in the end

1285
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,390
the upper relief chamber allegedly

1286
01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:27,180
discovered by Colonel vise and I say

1287
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:30,839
allegedly with kindness right okay it's

1288
01:01:36,380 --> 01:01:34,380
certainly lots of lots of dispute over

1289
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:36,390
what might have happened and and it's

1290
01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:37,920
the same kind of dispute you see

1291
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:40,619
typically in a in a facebook discussion

1292
01:01:45,740 --> 01:01:42,450
there are lots of minutiae points of

1293
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:45,750
view about you down to analyzing the the

1294
01:01:51,499 --> 01:01:47,819
ink that was used to do to make these

1295
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:51,509
quarry marks and the the way the glyphs

1296
01:01:58,519 --> 01:01:53,220
wrists set out vertically or

1297
01:02:01,220 --> 01:01:58,529
horizontally and all sorts of very very

1298
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:01,230
my new details to to question was this

1299
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,490
legitimate was it not legitimate very

1300
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:07,680
complicated questions for me the the

1301
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:09,569
easiest perspective for Hawaii

1302
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,940
we find no carved inscriptions in the

1303
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:14,400
Great Pyramid is because it was built

1304
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:15,480
before writing

1305
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:20,490
since we're thing bingo bingo so then it

1306
01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:22,050
certainly was built before 3,000 BC

1307
01:02:27,980 --> 01:02:25,020
that's right and and what is wrong with

1308
01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:27,990
asking that question what is wrong with

1309
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:30,750
that right there's nothing nothing wrong

1310
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:34,170
with that very very tricky answers

1311
01:02:39,290 --> 01:02:36,930
questions to try to answer them well it

1312
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,300
seems that if you're an Egyptologist

1313
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:41,280
that wants to step outside the box and

1314
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:43,590
ask these very fundamental questions

1315
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:46,410
these aren't crazy questions they're

1316
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:50,880
fundamental questions you you just don't

1317
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:55,380
do it they absolutely will not and will

1318
01:03:00,440 --> 01:02:57,450
point to anything that they can to

1319
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:00,450
suggest that including that too and

1320
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,640
statue of Khafre Khufu that that is that

1321
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:11,520
is what they have and in a little let's

1322
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:15,410
move on I get uncomfortable with that

1323
01:03:21,740 --> 01:03:18,450
right well this is where we're shocked

1324
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:21,750
and and Jon West's work was so pivotal

1325
01:03:25,820 --> 01:03:23,940
because they were the first ones to come

1326
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:25,830
up with a rationale that had to be

1327
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:32,510
addressed so yes now the lack of

1328
01:03:37,820 --> 01:03:35,490
hieroglyphics where we have anywhere in

1329
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:37,830
saqqara anywhere that you want to go any

1330
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:40,170
other pyramid any other complex any

1331
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:43,830
other temple any other site is adorned

1332
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:47,370
from top to bottom the most significant

1333
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:51,650
site in all of the world lacks anything

1334
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:55,200
now what what what is so hard to figure

1335
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:00,180
out here right I mean we if if akhom was

1336
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:01,710
here he would say let's go with the easy

1337
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:03,690
answer the easy answer is it was built

1338
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:07,260
before we had written language so if we

1339
01:04:12,530 --> 01:04:10,500
start to connect the dots and we can

1340
01:04:15,490 --> 01:04:12,540
almost include the Dogon in here too as

1341
01:04:19,310 --> 01:04:15,500
well but if we start to connect the dots

1342
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:19,320
are we suggesting that it is possible

1343
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:22,110
that the very same information and

1344
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:25,470
cultures that built Gobekli Tepe could

1345
01:04:32,539 --> 01:04:29,160
be responsible at the same time period

1346
01:04:34,339 --> 01:04:32,549
were going back to 10,500 BC here okay

1347
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:34,349
here's the perspective on that as far as

1348
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:39,900
I'm concerned if we embrace the idea

1349
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:42,809
Robert Bauval idea that the three large

1350
01:04:50,029 --> 01:04:45,450
pyramids reflect the belt stars of Orion

1351
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:50,039
at 10,000 BC and that the Sphinx's gaze

1352
01:04:55,789 --> 01:04:54,000
is pointed towards Leo at 10,000 BC if

1353
01:04:58,099 --> 01:04:55,799
we're going to entertain that as being a

1354
01:05:02,750 --> 01:04:58,109
valid perspective then we're left with

1355
01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:02,760
two choices one choice is that at least

1356
01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:06,420
the alignments were set in the era of

1357
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:09,630
10,000 BC for those for those structures

1358
01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:12,809
if we don't say that then we have to

1359
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,670
imagine that thousands of years later

1360
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:17,520
when the structures are built somebody

1361
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:19,740
had the capability of retrospectively

1362
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,299
calculating what the alignment should

1363
01:05:26,359 --> 01:05:23,760
have been and I don't see any evidence

1364
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:26,369
that anybody could so my best guess is

1365
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,760
that the Sphinx and at least the

1366
01:05:34,609 --> 01:05:32,240
alignments for the pyramids are

1367
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:34,619
contemporaneous with gobekli tepe they

1368
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:39,599
would have to be and the the the carbon

1369
01:05:46,099 --> 01:05:42,750
dating of the materials that gobekli

1370
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:46,109
tepe which absol have been done over and

1371
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:49,609
over again now we can definitively say

1372
01:05:57,140 --> 01:05:53,609
10,000 BC and areas of it that are

1373
01:05:59,539 --> 01:05:57,150
actually older right even said yourself

1374
01:06:01,400 --> 01:05:59,549
it could be a thousand years it could be

1375
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:01,410
older than that we don't we don't know

1376
01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:04,650
we haven't done the completing the

1377
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:06,599
digging at gobekli tepe wouldn't it be

1378
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,000
fantastic if it went 20,000 years

1379
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:10,799
that was certainly because I mean John

1380
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:12,900
Anthony west view of the Sphinx was it

1381
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:15,480
might well go but go back okay we're

1382
01:06:18,890 --> 01:06:17,130
talking about let's that what are

1383
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:18,900
essentially processional cycles yuga

1384
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:20,130
cycles that's right

1385
01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:25,250
talking about 12,500 year half cycles or

1386
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,190
25,000 year full cycles it's pretend in

1387
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:30,839
his estimation it was possible that the

1388
01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:32,970
Sphinx went back another full cycle

1389
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:35,940
possibly even 30,000 years back now

1390
01:06:42,109 --> 01:06:38,190
here's the here's the million-dollar

1391
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:42,119
question do you think that

1392
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:45,930
that there is evidence in possession and

1393
01:06:53,809 --> 01:06:50,910
knowledge from any aspect whether it's

1394
01:06:58,509 --> 01:06:53,819
carving literal papyrus it doesn't

1395
01:07:01,940 --> 01:06:58,519
matter that Egyptologists know that the

1396
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:01,950
the Giza complex predates their own

1397
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:04,170
dating but they're not going to talk

1398
01:07:12,140 --> 01:07:06,299
about it do you think that they know for

1399
01:07:14,329 --> 01:07:12,150
sure I think that that somebody in the

1400
01:07:17,059 --> 01:07:14,339
field of Egyptology I think that people

1401
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:17,069
in the field of government and people no

1402
01:07:22,190 --> 01:07:20,490
doubt people at the Vatican know the

1403
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:22,200
truth of the situation or have a much

1404
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:24,690
clearer sense of what the truth is and I

1405
01:07:30,019 --> 01:07:28,440
think if they know that these cycles of

1406
01:07:34,849 --> 01:07:30,029
humanity go back farther than anybody

1407
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:34,859
has admitted that they do isn't there a

1408
01:07:41,380 --> 01:07:37,920
benefit to that knowledge isn't there a

1409
01:07:44,809 --> 01:07:41,390
benefit for us to find out the truth I

1410
01:07:48,349 --> 01:07:44,819
mean I understand religion and I

1411
01:07:51,740 --> 01:07:48,359
understand the economy of Egypt and and

1412
01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:51,750
the need of you know keeping the money

1413
01:07:57,019 --> 01:07:54,630
flow going I understand all of that but

1414
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:57,029
isn't there a benefit for all of us to

1415
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,119
find out our true origins well from my

1416
01:08:04,279 --> 01:08:02,400
perspective one of the key motivations

1417
01:08:06,499 --> 01:08:04,289
of whoever put the symbolic system

1418
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,509
together in ancient times was because

1419
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:09,119
they felt that it was essential for

1420
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:11,099
Humanity to know the truth about this

1421
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:12,900
and to preserve it down through the ages

1422
01:08:19,879 --> 01:08:14,460
somebody went to an awful lot of trouble

1423
01:08:23,899 --> 01:08:19,889
to set up symbolic techniques metaphoric

1424
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:23,909
scented metaphors very careful ways of

1425
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,560
putting myths together very careful ways

1426
01:08:29,169 --> 01:08:27,120
of putting architecture together

1427
01:08:34,939 --> 01:08:29,179
very capable careful ways representing

1428
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:34,949
geometry and mathematics specifically so

1429
01:08:39,410 --> 01:08:37,620
that this body of knowledge would not

1430
01:08:41,059 --> 01:08:39,420
get lost down through the generations

1431
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,069
and it was important to them that

1432
01:08:44,959 --> 01:08:42,960
humanity understand it and that we be

1433
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:44,969
able to preserve it so absolutely I

1434
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:47,520
think that there's a huge motive that

1435
01:08:53,780 --> 01:08:50,250
most of us don't really fathom what that

1436
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:53,790
could be and my best guess is that there

1437
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:55,170
are people on the planet who

1438
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:57,000
who understand what that you know what

1439
01:09:03,830 --> 01:08:59,940
lies behind that if if if another

1440
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:03,840
gobekli tepe another sight surfaces it

1441
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:06,420
doesn't even have to be in the armenian

1442
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:08,730
highlands it does have to be in in

1443
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:11,010
africa what if it you know here in North

1444
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:13,770
America for instance or South America or

1445
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:18,390
China another site is revealed that even

1446
01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:21,690
is older than gobekli tepe but

1447
01:09:27,290 --> 01:09:25,380
definitively suggests the crazy stuff

1448
01:09:30,350 --> 01:09:27,300
that they don't want us to know right

1449
01:09:32,900 --> 01:09:30,360
some even more definitive than gobekli

1450
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:32,910
tepe I can't imagine it going there but

1451
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:36,420
suppose it actually happened could you

1452
01:09:42,860 --> 01:09:39,600
handle it could you could you handle the

1453
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:42,870
knowledge of an intelligent civilization

1454
01:09:48,740 --> 01:09:44,730
that is that is fifteen thousand years

1455
01:09:50,060 --> 01:09:48,750
old yeah I think knowing knowing with a

1456
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:50,070
perspective that I have on things I

1457
01:09:57,850 --> 01:09:55,980
think that that's almost a given in each

1458
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:57,860
just looking at an Egyptian language

1459
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:00,300
okay one of the questions I asked myself

1460
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:03,480
for setting go back to Tampa was what

1461
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:05,250
did the ancient Egyptians call that

1462
01:10:09,860 --> 01:10:07,380
region of the world well it turns out

1463
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:09,870
the church the Egyptian term for it was

1464
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:18,930
a word get Patek I know this is their

1465
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:20,910
name for Cappadocia which is the region

1466
01:10:24,710 --> 01:10:22,410
would go back to the Tempe is right now

1467
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:24,720
the symbols of the words are formulated

1468
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:27,810
in a way and in archaic way it begins

1469
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:30,900
with the image of a shrine and it ends

1470
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:34,140
with a symbol of mountains this is the

1471
01:10:39,230 --> 01:10:37,140
name of a mountaintop shrine now it's

1472
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:39,240
not the only name of a mountaintop

1473
01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:41,010
shrine that's preserved in the Egyptian

1474
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:47,100
language there's a second name that is

1475
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:49,080
formulated in the same way so for my

1476
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,820
point of view and and the second name I

1477
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:52,800
don't have a site to specifically

1478
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:54,780
connect with yet but the fact that

1479
01:11:05,840 --> 01:10:57,330
there's a second name implies to me

1480
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:05,850
there's a second site that is that true

1481
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:08,730
that's true yeah

1482
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:11,970
say it again for me okay that no no the

1483
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:13,770
name the name of the region say it again

1484
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:18,210
get pet Kai now but as I said that's

1485
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:20,970
that's an archaic word it's written with

1486
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:23,130
glyphs that are a match I mean they're

1487
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:24,840
the same glyphs the Egyptians used to

1488
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:26,970
write any word right but in ancient

1489
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:29,250
times they put assign different phonetic

1490
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:30,989
values to certain glyphs and they

1491
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:32,910
formulated words in a different worried

1492
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:35,100
way so another thing I tried to do with

1493
01:11:39,740 --> 01:11:37,620
that word get pet Kai was I asked myself

1494
01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:39,750
what would happen if you updated the

1495
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:41,340
pronunciation of a glyphs what would it

1496
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:45,090
read then and at what a read was he had

1497
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:49,920
pet kha yeah now at pet Cal yeah yet as

1498
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:52,110
a word for a sanctuary that means

1499
01:11:59,450 --> 01:11:55,020
sanctuary Pet is the name of an Egyptian

1500
01:12:03,620 --> 01:11:59,460
god of space kah is the name of an

1501
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:03,630
Egyptian god of the embrace yah is the

1502
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,130
Hebrew God of light we have the name of

1503
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:10,860
an ancient sanctuary preserved in

1504
01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,420
ancient Egyptian language that looks

1505
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:14,760
like it combines the names of three

1506
01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:17,580
Egyptian gods or three ancient gods

1507
01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:20,660
not just Egyptian it actually spans

1508
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:23,940
Hebrew gods and Egyptian gods

1509
01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:26,190
now the second site the same thing is

1510
01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:28,500
true with if you pronounce it the

1511
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:32,430
archaic way its gah new saw asked now

1512
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,060
ganas ah is Ganesha asked is a word

1513
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:37,920
prices which is serious

1514
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:40,620
mm-hmm-hmm but if you modernize that the

1515
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:43,920
term it prints pronounced hat pain ooh

1516
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:48,000
kha let's see let's see we get this

1517
01:12:52,940 --> 01:12:48,420
right

1518
01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:52,950
yet hat

1519
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:55,590
new head pain Oh saw ass is what it is

1520
01:13:02,000 --> 01:12:58,560
now pain ooh okay I knew that saw was an

1521
01:13:05,290 --> 01:13:02,010
ancient name for Orion it's a name of an

1522
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:05,300
Egyptian god of knowledge asked again is

1523
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:09,300
Isis which is serious and pain ooh is a

1524
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:11,250
term that in India became a generic term

1525
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:15,570
for deity in ancient Egypt pain who was

1526
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:17,970
a word for a shrew mouse and a shrew

1527
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:20,940
mouse was actually celebrated at two of

1528
01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:23,370
the key ancient Egyptian temple sites

1529
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:26,070
one of them which whose name is

1530
01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:28,380
formulated by the same syllables of as

1531
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:34,140
get peptic I is the site that the Greek

1532
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:37,920
word for Egypt came from Egypt is called

1533
01:13:42,980 --> 01:13:39,450
Egypt because of this site where this

1534
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:42,990
shrew mouse whose name is represented as

1535
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:46,110
pannu was celebrated so again we have a

1536
01:13:50,900 --> 01:13:49,770
second archaic sanctuary site we can

1537
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:50,910
tell it's the name of a sanctuary

1538
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:53,760
because of the way the glyphs read named

1539
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:57,600
for three gods that cross pantheon say

1540
01:14:03,680 --> 01:13:59,100
cross some some of them are Egyptian

1541
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:03,690
some of them are Indian so it's it's a

1542
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:05,990
really weird stuff and it implies that

1543
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:08,250
what survived in each of these ancient

1544
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:10,500
traditions we're all part of a larger

1545
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:12,420
body of knowledge originally and only

1546
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:14,310
some pieces survived in certain places

1547
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:17,850
when I was you know really getting into

1548
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:20,010
my studies with ancient Egypt and the

1549
01:14:27,710 --> 01:14:23,130
demigods an ancient ancient Egypt before

1550
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:27,720
the Pharaohs and I started to I'll never

1551
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:30,900
forget the first time that I started to

1552
01:14:36,260 --> 01:14:32,820
make the connection with the Zep tepi

1553
01:14:38,690 --> 01:14:36,270
right first time right and and gobekli

1554
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,700
tepe now I don't like to say you know I

1555
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:40,800
use the word coincidence or it's just

1556
01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:44,880
strange or it is but is there a

1557
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:48,350
connection obviously with Tapie and

1558
01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:49,860
gobekli tepe

1559
01:14:57,899 --> 01:14:53,700
is it just phonetic or another story for

1560
01:15:02,009 --> 01:14:57,909
you the night before shock and john west

1561
01:15:03,419 --> 01:15:02,019
left to go visit gobekli tepe John

1562
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:03,429
Anthony West held a party in this house

1563
01:15:07,469 --> 01:15:05,590
that my wife Reese and I were invited to

1564
01:15:08,609 --> 01:15:07,479
and so in preparation for that party I

1565
01:15:09,659 --> 01:15:08,619
knew that Jacques and his wife we're

1566
01:15:10,949 --> 01:15:09,669
gonna be there and some other people

1567
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:10,959
were going to be there so in preparation

1568
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:13,570
for the party I did some study the

1569
01:15:16,649 --> 01:15:15,369
original study that I did on they go

1570
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:16,659
back to that beside I wanted to be able

1571
01:15:21,689 --> 01:15:18,729
to talk reasonably intelligently about

1572
01:15:23,069 --> 01:15:21,699
what site was about sure so so I asked

1573
01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:23,079
myself that question about the word

1574
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:24,369
tepee could could there be a

1575
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:27,820
relationship I went to the to the modern

1576
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:30,010
Turkish language and I discovered that

1577
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:33,130
the word tempeh has 25 separate meeting

1578
01:15:37,469 --> 01:15:35,010
meanings in the modern Turkish language

1579
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:37,479
now if you go to the Egyptian

1580
01:15:41,729 --> 01:15:39,369
hieroglyphic dictionary that's you know

1581
01:15:43,919 --> 01:15:41,739
from 2,500 you know these are words that

1582
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:43,929
are representative from 2500 BC or

1583
01:15:50,489 --> 01:15:48,159
earlier a dozen of those same meanings

1584
01:15:54,469 --> 01:15:50,499
are connected to words that are

1585
01:15:57,629 --> 01:15:54,479
pronounced tap or Tepe so in other words

1586
01:15:59,399 --> 01:15:57,639
we can say with confidence that when the

1587
01:16:01,169 --> 01:15:59,409
ancient Egyptians said the word tap a

1588
01:16:02,959 --> 01:16:01,179
they meant the same thing of the ancient

1589
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:02,969
Turks meant when they said Tempe

1590
01:16:09,419 --> 01:16:06,130
it's the same word what does it mean

1591
01:16:10,739 --> 01:16:09,429
Hill Wow well I want each of these words

1592
01:16:13,049 --> 01:16:10,749
I says I said in the Turkish language

1593
01:16:15,509 --> 01:16:13,059
the word Tempe has 25 different meanings

1594
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:15,519
so if you ask someone to to translate

1595
01:16:20,969 --> 01:16:17,679
the word gobekli tepe you can

1596
01:16:23,759 --> 01:16:20,979
potentially get you know 25 different

1597
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:23,769
translations per each word I mean

1598
01:16:27,390 --> 01:16:25,510
Gobekli has multiple meanings and Tempe

1599
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:27,400
has multiple meanings so you get a whole

1600
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:29,590
slew of different interpretations of

1601
01:16:32,219 --> 01:16:31,090
what the name means based on who

1602
01:16:34,859 --> 01:16:32,229
translates it for you

1603
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:34,869
now when you say Turkish and modern

1604
01:16:43,979 --> 01:16:39,010
Turkish Turkey wasn't you know it's a

1605
01:16:46,259 --> 01:16:43,989
600 year old country so go back late a P

1606
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:46,269
is you know ten thousand twelve thousand

1607
01:16:51,299 --> 01:16:48,610
years old right now there's a feature of

1608
01:16:52,679 --> 01:16:51,309
language that is there are two features

1609
01:16:55,949 --> 01:16:52,689
of language that are a particular help

1610
01:17:00,060 --> 01:16:55,959
to us before the advent of writing one

1611
01:17:03,449 --> 01:17:00,070
of them is the tendency as we go back

1612
01:17:06,379 --> 01:17:03,459
further in time for greater and greater

1613
01:17:10,540 --> 01:17:06,389
commonality of language among cultures

1614
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:10,550
this is sort of tower Babel stuff

1615
01:17:15,069 --> 01:17:13,040
the second feature of language is

1616
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:15,079
something that linguists call linguists

1617
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:18,170
refer to as ultraconserved words it's

1618
01:17:23,260 --> 01:17:20,570
the idea that a word that is very

1619
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:23,270
significant tends to stay in a language

1620
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:26,719
for very long periods of time and so all

1621
01:17:30,549 --> 01:17:28,369
of those ancient words that had to do

1622
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,559
with concepts of creation you know words

1623
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:32,480
that connect to the the concept of a

1624
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:36,320
cubit or that you know relate to the

1625
01:17:40,270 --> 01:17:38,540
constellation Orion or things that are

1626
01:17:42,370 --> 01:17:40,280
very significant to a culture or to

1627
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:42,380
their religious tradition the words are

1628
01:17:45,339 --> 01:17:43,610
going to tend to stay in the language

1629
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:45,349
for very very long periods of time and

1630
01:17:51,370 --> 01:17:49,130
so that allows me to compare um words in

1631
01:17:53,109 --> 01:17:51,380
the modern Turkish dictionary to words

1632
01:17:55,629 --> 01:17:53,119
in an ancient Egyptian dictionary and

1633
01:17:57,939 --> 01:17:55,639
find lots and lots of overlap that's

1634
01:18:00,490 --> 01:17:57,949
very interesting and it just sticks out

1635
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,500
like a sore thumb to me now that the

1636
01:18:04,770 --> 01:18:02,239
same thing happens with ancient China I

1637
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:04,780
can actually demonstrate very easily

1638
01:18:09,729 --> 01:18:07,730
that the ancient Chinese hieroglyphs

1639
01:18:12,580 --> 01:18:09,739
were formulated to be on the same system

1640
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:12,590
as ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs I can

1641
01:18:15,850 --> 01:18:14,239
demonstrate it with one word I think

1642
01:18:17,950 --> 01:18:15,860
we've talked about this before this is

1643
01:18:20,169 --> 01:18:17,960
the Egyptian word for a week like the

1644
01:18:22,450 --> 01:18:20,179
concept of days of a week it's written

1645
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:22,460
with two glyphs the Sun glyph which is a

1646
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:24,800
circle with a dot that can represent the

1647
01:18:30,220 --> 01:18:27,530
concept of a day and an upside-down u

1648
01:18:32,589 --> 01:18:30,230
which is the Egyptian number 10 I looked

1649
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:32,599
at that word and I said symbolically

1650
01:18:36,729 --> 01:18:35,090
this word says 10 days and I went and I

1651
01:18:39,459 --> 01:18:36,739
did some research and discovered the

1652
01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:39,469
ancient Egyptians had a 10-day week Wow

1653
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:41,540
the glyphs of the word explained its own

1654
01:18:46,209 --> 01:18:44,449
meaning to me so then I go to the

1655
01:18:48,339 --> 01:18:46,219
ancient Chinese language and I discover

1656
01:18:50,830 --> 01:18:48,349
their word for week was written with two

1657
01:18:53,049 --> 01:18:50,840
glyphs a Sun glyph that was originally a

1658
01:18:55,450 --> 01:18:53,059
circle with a dot and their number 10

1659
01:18:57,310 --> 01:18:55,460
and they had a 10-day week also I'm

1660
01:19:00,220 --> 01:18:57,320
looking at it right here it's the same

1661
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:00,230
thing yeah it's absolute comparability

1662
01:19:04,060 --> 01:19:02,510
at a fundamental level for how these

1663
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:04,070
languages were originally formulated

1664
01:19:12,370 --> 01:19:05,199
[Music]

1665
01:19:14,049 --> 01:19:12,380
it's the Wow and I drew it out I'm I'm

1666
01:19:16,629 --> 01:19:14,059
gonna show everybody in my notes here

1667
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:16,639
right I drew it out here and then just

1668
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:18,770
look it up ancient Chinese word for week

1669
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:21,110
just go into that and look at the images

1670
01:19:27,340 --> 01:19:24,320
that pop up it's exactly what I drew

1671
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:27,350
so now I said okay if one Egyptian word

1672
01:19:31,060 --> 01:19:29,120
works that way what are the chances that

1673
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:31,070
other Egyptian words do too and what I

1674
01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:33,770
discovered is they all work that way if

1675
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:35,750
I want to know what an Egyptian word man

1676
01:19:39,940 --> 01:19:37,250
if I want to know what the scribe meant

1677
01:19:41,650 --> 01:19:39,950
I wrote down the word I can interpret

1678
01:19:43,180 --> 01:19:41,660
the individual glyphs of the words and

1679
01:19:46,180 --> 01:19:43,190
they will tell me it flat out what they

1680
01:19:49,780 --> 01:19:46,190
meant it's it's all there it's all there

1681
01:19:52,780 --> 01:19:49,790
the dot is even in between right that is

1682
01:19:56,710 --> 01:19:52,790
trippy and I just I just drew it out in

1683
01:20:00,370 --> 01:19:56,720
Egyptian as you described it to me it's

1684
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:00,380
right there that's a that's crazy next

1685
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:01,910
really interesting thing is there are

1686
01:20:05,380 --> 01:20:03,890
certain Egyptian words where there's a

1687
01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:05,390
trailing glyph at the end of the word

1688
01:20:10,510 --> 01:20:08,030
that doesn't get pronounced those words

1689
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,520
are there to define for us what the

1690
01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:12,320
meaning of the glyph that trailing glyph

1691
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,510
is and so once you figure that out then

1692
01:20:17,980 --> 01:20:16,400
you can lay out a whole long list of

1693
01:20:20,290 --> 01:20:17,990
hundreds of Egyptian lists and what they

1694
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:20,300
mean based on what the language tells

1695
01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:21,860
you they may not based on what we guess

1696
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:23,870
they'd be let's take our break right

1697
01:20:27,850 --> 01:20:26,330
here got to do it this is fade to black

1698
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:27,860
I am arrows to me Church I guess tonight

1699
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:30,560
layered scranton we're discussing loss

1700
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:33,920
history suppression of knowledge gobekli

1701
01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:37,730
tepe Egypt and Velikovsky we'll do it

1702
01:20:50,910 --> 01:20:40,840
all when we come back stay with us

1703
01:20:53,890 --> 01:20:50,920
[Music]

1704
01:20:59,020 --> 01:20:53,900
what a conversation tonight Laird

1705
01:21:02,920 --> 01:20:59,030
Scranton the absolute best you know and

1706
01:21:06,190 --> 01:21:02,930
this is for me for me and just like I

1707
01:21:09,310 --> 01:21:06,200
talked about in my opening rant tonight

1708
01:21:12,430 --> 01:21:09,320
on the show for me it's about discovery

1709
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:12,440
having a conversation and for all of you

1710
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:15,290
out there to just ride along with us and

1711
01:21:21,340 --> 01:21:18,110
it's just been amazing tonight Laird

1712
01:21:23,260 --> 01:21:21,350
great great great conversation and we're

1713
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:23,270
talking about suppression of knowledge

1714
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:26,810
in laws history and I don't think there

1715
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:30,310
is anything more evident than what

1716
01:21:36,370 --> 01:21:34,010
Velikovsky had to say and and his

1717
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:36,380
theories again going outside of the box

1718
01:21:44,350 --> 01:21:40,730
and and getting some scientific evidence

1719
01:21:47,710 --> 01:21:44,360
together and presenting it and certainly

1720
01:21:52,090 --> 01:21:47,720
he was well read and and and a

1721
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:52,100
revelation throughout the world but he

1722
01:21:57,610 --> 01:21:54,530
he was attacked on all sides wasn't he

1723
01:22:00,760 --> 01:21:57,620
he really was he's considered it to this

1724
01:22:02,860 --> 01:22:00,770
day to be the crackpots crackpot never

1725
01:22:05,140 --> 01:22:02,870
mind the fact that most of what he

1726
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:05,150
represented to be true has since shown

1727
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:08,530
itself to be true as a matter of fact

1728
01:22:15,190 --> 01:22:13,010
okay we're talking about a an intensely

1729
01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:15,200
popular book that he published in 1950

1730
01:22:20,430 --> 01:22:17,900
called worlds in collision this was a

1731
01:22:23,650 --> 01:22:20,440
very radical theory based on ancient

1732
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:23,660
references that claimed that the planet

1733
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,610
Venus had to be far younger about an

1734
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:30,560
astronomical body then anybody thought

1735
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:33,110
it was that in fact Venus had been born

1736
01:22:41,890 --> 01:22:35,930
during the historical memory of humanity

1737
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:41,900
and had been originally born as a cut in

1738
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:44,810
the form of a comet that sort of wreak

1739
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:47,450
havoc in the plane of the the orbits of

1740
01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:50,150
the planets for millennia and then

1741
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:51,980
finally settle down into its own orbit

1742
01:22:56,490 --> 01:22:53,810
and took its place among the family of

1743
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,500
planets now

1744
01:23:03,189 --> 01:22:59,120
let's stay right here for a second if

1745
01:23:06,129 --> 01:23:03,199
you are going to present something as

1746
01:23:08,529 --> 01:23:06,139
radical as this you have to you have to

1747
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:08,539
have it backed up you just can't wing it

1748
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:12,110
and and he presented that side of it and

1749
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:15,110
I understand it it's not going to be

1750
01:23:23,879 --> 01:23:19,369
enough to convince anybody but but the

1751
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:23,889
other side of it is nobody really knows

1752
01:23:32,919 --> 01:23:27,920
how earth or our moon or anything else

1753
01:23:36,009 --> 01:23:32,929
was created nobody really knows knows so

1754
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:36,019
why not have this idea put out there

1755
01:23:42,459 --> 01:23:40,400
alongside of other scientific ideas and

1756
01:23:44,949 --> 01:23:42,469
theories about the creation of

1757
01:23:47,709 --> 01:23:44,959
everything why not why not present it

1758
01:23:49,180 --> 01:23:47,719
that way well the truth of the matter is

1759
01:23:51,370 --> 01:23:49,190
we had been talking earlier about the

1760
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:51,380
tests satellite which is looking for

1761
01:23:57,100 --> 01:23:53,209
earth-like planets yep well if it

1762
01:23:59,589 --> 01:23:57,110
follows on the Kepler project with the

1763
01:24:01,089 --> 01:23:59,599
telescope out there they've done quite a

1764
01:24:04,359 --> 01:24:01,099
bit of research on earth-like planets

1765
01:24:06,339 --> 01:24:04,369
they found some four thousand potential

1766
01:24:09,819 --> 01:24:06,349
earth-like planets out there so far and

1767
01:24:11,859 --> 01:24:09,829
the astronomers who study those have

1768
01:24:13,660 --> 01:24:11,869
come around to a points of view on how

1769
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:13,670
planets formed that aligns perfectly

1770
01:24:20,199 --> 01:24:16,369
with what Velikovsky says their outlook

1771
01:24:22,180 --> 01:24:20,209
I was I wrote when I wrote my book the

1772
01:24:25,930 --> 01:24:22,190
Velikovsky heresies I was in contact

1773
01:24:28,029 --> 01:24:25,940
with Geoff Marcy who at that time he was

1774
01:24:30,549 --> 01:24:28,039
Berkeley's head of the search for

1775
01:24:33,009 --> 01:24:30,559
earth-like planets you know the capsule

1776
01:24:35,620 --> 01:24:33,019
project and I would he would graciously

1777
01:24:37,029 --> 01:24:35,630
allow me to send him questions and he

1778
01:24:38,890 --> 01:24:37,039
would answer sort of under the table it

1779
01:24:40,689 --> 01:24:38,900
could be a make sure I was on the right

1780
01:24:45,339 --> 01:24:40,699
track in terms of what I was I was

1781
01:24:47,379 --> 01:24:45,349
looking for the official viewpoint the

1782
01:24:50,620 --> 01:24:47,389
adopted viewpoint of these EXO solar

1783
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:50,630
system astronomers is that gas giant

1784
01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:52,639
planets form in the first 10 million

1785
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:55,550
years of a star's life and that the

1786
01:24:59,890 --> 01:24:57,920
rocky planets form in the next 10

1787
01:25:00,489 --> 01:24:59,900
million years largely as a result of

1788
01:25:03,790 --> 01:25:00,499
collisions

1789
01:25:06,819 --> 01:25:03,800
well Velikovsky said the Venus formed as

1790
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:06,829
a result of a large astronomical body a

1791
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:10,130
planet that size body 10 sizes a 10

1792
01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:12,320
times the size of the earth crashing

1793
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:15,620
into Jupiter so

1794
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:17,930
if we say that the rocky planets form as

1795
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:20,210
a result of collisions there is no upper

1796
01:25:23,410 --> 01:25:21,890
limit on when that kid to her that could

1797
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:23,420
happen tomorrow if the right

1798
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:30,650
circumstances came about so because of

1799
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:32,510
the study of these EXO solar systems and

1800
01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:34,810
now is the situation where the two

1801
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:37,220
working theories we have for how planets

1802
01:25:40,420 --> 01:25:38,690
formed in our solar system no longer

1803
01:25:42,190 --> 01:25:40,430
hold water their arc on their

1804
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:42,200
contradicted finally contradicted by

1805
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:45,920
what we see in the EXO solar systems so

1806
01:25:51,690 --> 01:25:49,040
we're really without an official working

1807
01:25:54,010 --> 01:25:51,700
theory and the one that the EXO solar

1808
01:25:55,630 --> 01:25:54,020
astronomers have is really in line with

1809
01:25:58,210 --> 01:25:55,640
what Velikovsky says although nobody

1810
01:26:02,340 --> 01:25:58,220
will admit it what kind of evidence do

1811
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:02,350
we have that backs up this from ancient

1812
01:26:08,500 --> 01:26:06,110
astronomers in the past that were making

1813
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:08,510
notes of what was happening up in the

1814
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:11,570
skies well the earliest ok Velikovsky

1815
01:26:17,470 --> 01:26:14,090
studied did his research at Columbia

1816
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:17,480
University Library where original

1817
01:26:21,220 --> 01:26:20,090
papyruses and ancient texts of all sorts

1818
01:26:23,530 --> 01:26:21,230
from all sorts of different cultures

1819
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:23,540
around the world were housed along with

1820
01:26:29,140 --> 01:26:25,490
experts who were capable of interpreting

1821
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:29,150
them and what galovski discovered was

1822
01:26:35,980 --> 01:26:33,110
that in culture after culture originally

1823
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:35,990
Venus was identified as a comment and

1824
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:38,570
there was a name assigned to to that

1825
01:26:41,710 --> 01:26:39,770
comment that might be different from

1826
01:26:43,570 --> 01:26:41,720
culture to culture but whatever name

1827
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,580
they assigned to that come up was the

1828
01:26:48,610 --> 01:26:45,440
same name that they eventually assigned

1829
01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:48,620
to the planet Venus so the word Typhon

1830
01:26:53,710 --> 01:26:51,230
was originally the name of a the world

1831
01:26:56,290 --> 01:26:53,720
that our word typhoon comes from it was

1832
01:26:58,440 --> 01:26:56,300
originally the name of a comet and these

1833
01:27:01,950 --> 01:26:58,450
names also typically tie to cataclysmic

1834
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:01,960
events on the earth the way typhoon does

1835
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:05,570
so right so a villa cops key was seeing

1836
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:10,400
was evidence of global disruption during

1837
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:14,210
the era when when venus was a comet not

1838
01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:20,110
a plan and what about translations of

1839
01:27:29,359 --> 01:27:25,490
sense Velikovsky of ancient texts does

1840
01:27:31,609 --> 01:27:29,369
this corroborate what he was presenting

1841
01:27:33,310 --> 01:27:31,619
one of the big corroboration for what

1842
01:27:37,339 --> 01:27:33,320
benevelon

1843
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:37,349
that ancient cultures became obsessed

1844
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:39,570
with Venus for reasons that don't make

1845
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:42,090
sense if it wasn't menacing us in some

1846
01:27:46,490 --> 01:27:44,460
way in China we were talking about

1847
01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:46,500
ancient language the earliest right

1848
01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:49,590
system of writing in China or is what's

1849
01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:52,380
called the Oracle bone texts these are

1850
01:27:59,680 --> 01:27:54,900
characters that were carved into shin

1851
01:28:02,510 --> 01:27:59,690
bones and thigh bones of animals and

1852
01:28:04,459 --> 01:28:02,520
their purpose the language that the

1853
01:28:06,620 --> 01:28:04,469
working theory of linguist is that this

1854
01:28:10,459 --> 01:28:06,630
language was specifically developed to

1855
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:10,469
track the motions of Venus so as we look

1856
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:13,920
at the various cultures who are keeping

1857
01:28:19,069 --> 01:28:16,530
these obsessive tables of where Venus

1858
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:19,079
was how long it was visible and how long

1859
01:28:22,669 --> 01:28:20,730
it was not visible they were they were

1860
01:28:24,890 --> 01:28:22,679
looking for anything unusual in the

1861
01:28:27,379 --> 01:28:24,900
movements of me that's because it was as

1862
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:27,389
if there was some some urgent dependency

1863
01:28:33,020 --> 01:28:30,449
on knowing where Venus was you look at

1864
01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:33,030
these ancient tables which if Venus had

1865
01:28:37,850 --> 01:28:34,710
always been a planet should be like

1866
01:28:39,649 --> 01:28:37,860
clockwork stable yeah astronomy says

1867
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:39,659
that the motions of the planets and the

1868
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:42,570
stars are our regular so we should be

1869
01:28:46,069 --> 01:28:44,880
able to take these tables and make sense

1870
01:28:48,919 --> 01:28:46,079
of them in terms of what we see today

1871
01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:48,929
with Venus it turns out we can't make

1872
01:28:52,939 --> 01:28:50,550
sense of any of the tables from any

1873
01:28:55,580 --> 01:28:52,949
culture they don't tie out without major

1874
01:28:59,209 --> 01:28:55,590
fudge fudge factors and the reason for

1875
01:29:01,819 --> 01:28:59,219
that is because Venus and its orbit

1876
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:01,829
wasn't stabilized yet in fact our solar

1877
01:29:08,689 --> 01:29:05,730
system was in flux well yes in fact in

1878
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:08,699
Velikovsky's view Venus made a direct

1879
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,540
impact on Mars which is an outlook that

1880
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:14,400
is actually supported by studies of

1881
01:29:20,169 --> 01:29:16,770
damaged Mars as crust that it was hit by

1882
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:20,179
a planet-sized body sometime in the past

1883
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:23,250
his outlook is that both Venus and Mars

1884
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:25,110
ended up making close approaches to the

1885
01:29:29,299 --> 01:29:27,210
earth about the time that every culture

1886
01:29:32,899 --> 01:29:29,309
on the planet changed from a 360 day

1887
01:29:34,339 --> 01:29:32,909
year to a 365 day year there are all

1888
01:29:36,770 --> 01:29:34,349
sorts of things that support

1889
01:29:41,089 --> 01:29:36,780
Velikovsky's view what I did with my

1890
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:41,099
book was relying on modern sources that

1891
01:29:45,650 --> 01:29:42,630
Velikovsky didn't have access

1892
01:29:48,710 --> 01:29:45,660
I went through and examined each of the

1893
01:29:52,250 --> 01:29:48,720
major aspects of his scenario for The

1894
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:52,260
Birth of Venus looking for any fact that

1895
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:53,850
would tip the controversy one way or the

1896
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:55,050
other I didn't care whether he was right

1897
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:57,120
or whether it was wrong sure we ought to

1898
01:30:01,400 --> 01:29:58,320
be able to point to something that

1899
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:01,410
solves this and what I discovered was

1900
01:30:05,450 --> 01:30:03,540
that at every stage of the controversy

1901
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,460
there were a half a dozen considerations

1902
01:30:11,150 --> 01:30:07,920
than if Velikovsky's right just

1903
01:30:12,850 --> 01:30:11,160
evaporate and if he's wrong the

1904
01:30:15,020 --> 01:30:12,860
astronomers have to come up with some

1905
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:15,030
extraordinary explanation for why this

1906
01:30:20,780 --> 01:30:18,000
thing was the way that it was and what

1907
01:30:24,820 --> 01:30:20,790
what dates are we looking at here I mean

1908
01:30:28,340 --> 01:30:24,830
there's a couple BC what are those eight

1909
01:30:30,260 --> 01:30:28,350
well the point at which Velikovsky says

1910
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:30,270
Venus made a close approach to the earth

1911
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:33,810
was around 1500 BC this coincides with a

1912
01:30:41,300 --> 01:30:37,110
major volcanic period when the volcano

1913
01:30:43,220 --> 01:30:41,310
of Thera erupted and is credited with

1914
01:30:47,210 --> 01:30:43,230
having destroyed the Minoan Empire and

1915
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:47,220
having actually defined that the

1916
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:49,170
boundary between the old king and the

1917
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:52,490
and the Middle Kingdom in ancient Egypt

1918
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:55,530
so 1500 BC is one of those critical

1919
01:31:01,520 --> 01:30:57,810
points Venus would have to have been

1920
01:31:03,980 --> 01:31:01,530
born in IRA's prior to that but again we

1921
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:03,990
can't get past further than 3,000 BC

1922
01:31:09,820 --> 01:31:06,450
with a written language to to be able to

1923
01:31:13,580 --> 01:31:09,830
reference things but sometime within the

1924
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:13,590
historical memory of humanity Venus

1925
01:31:20,570 --> 01:31:16,530
looks like it was born Val another

1926
01:31:21,980 --> 01:31:20,580
critical juncture around 709 BC right

1927
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:21,990
right let's stay right there for a

1928
01:31:28,850 --> 01:31:24,110
second

1929
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:28,860
1500 BC is we can call that ancient oak

1930
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:30,960
our a 1500 BC but it's not ancient

1931
01:31:37,730 --> 01:31:33,360
ancient that's what we're talking about

1932
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:37,740
modern memories here that's closer

1933
01:31:46,210 --> 01:31:42,690
that's 500 years closer to biblical

1934
01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:46,220
times than we are yeah yeah yeah exactly

1935
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:51,510
so if that is the case what cultures

1936
01:31:59,600 --> 01:31:56,370
around the world at 1500 BC made note of

1937
01:32:03,350 --> 01:31:59,610
this astronomical event about a new star

1938
01:32:05,630 --> 01:32:03,360
or planet appearing in the sky every one

1939
01:32:08,030 --> 01:32:05,640
of them that word that we know was

1940
01:32:12,620 --> 01:32:08,040
conducting astronomy was concerned about

1941
01:32:14,300 --> 01:32:12,630
it every one of them inexplicably

1942
01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:14,310
doesn't class Venus among the planets

1943
01:32:19,190 --> 01:32:17,460
right classes that with the Sun and the

1944
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:19,200
moon they say they can they describe

1945
01:32:24,410 --> 01:32:21,570
being able to see Venus move across the

1946
01:32:27,290 --> 01:32:24,420
sky during a daytime was this was this

1947
01:32:30,290 --> 01:32:27,300
mainly Asia are we talking about like

1948
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:30,300
China India we're talking South America

1949
01:32:38,630 --> 01:32:32,850
we're talking China we have synchronized

1950
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:38,640
records from Korea and China that at one

1951
01:32:42,530 --> 01:32:40,890
point there's a supernova that they know

1952
01:32:45,500 --> 01:32:42,540
happened on a particular date and it's

1953
01:32:48,170 --> 01:32:45,510
recorded synchronously in China and in

1954
01:32:50,420 --> 01:32:48,180
Korea where the astronomers in both

1955
01:32:53,450 --> 01:32:50,430
locations describe the supernova as

1956
01:32:56,900 --> 01:32:53,460
looking when supernova was bright with

1957
01:33:01,040 --> 01:32:56,910
rays extending from from the sides of it

1958
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:01,050
like Venus what happened that this is

1959
01:33:10,610 --> 01:33:06,170
just great stuff let's go to a 709 ok

1960
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:10,620
709 BC is a huge juncture because there

1961
01:33:14,210 --> 01:33:12,330
are major changes that happen that

1962
01:33:16,130 --> 01:33:14,220
affect affect our ability to do things

1963
01:33:18,740 --> 01:33:16,140
you were talking about using star

1964
01:33:19,790 --> 01:33:18,750
software to to track the constellations

1965
01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:19,800
back mm-hmm

1966
01:33:25,820 --> 01:33:23,310
well those calculations don't work

1967
01:33:28,940 --> 01:33:25,830
across the 709 BC bound boundary without

1968
01:33:32,630 --> 01:33:28,950
fledge factors how so

1969
01:33:36,260 --> 01:33:32,640
every total eclipse of the Sun that has

1970
01:33:39,140 --> 01:33:36,270
occurred since 709 BC has been confirmed

1971
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:39,150
through mathematics to the location and

1972
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:41,010
the date when it occurred but simply

1973
01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:44,490
confirm that's right not a single total

1974
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:45,780
eclipse of the Sun that happened before

1975
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:49,620
709 BC in any culture that can be

1976
01:33:53,290 --> 01:33:52,170
confirmed or has been confirmed now how

1977
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:53,300
would that be possible

1978
01:33:59,330 --> 01:33:56,850
well that's only okay if you imagine

1979
01:34:01,850 --> 01:33:59,340
that eclipse has happened like clockwork

1980
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:01,860
this is based on the the relationship of

1981
01:34:07,970 --> 01:34:04,710
the movements of the Sun the moon and

1982
01:34:10,140 --> 01:34:07,980
the earth that as they work as clockwork

1983
01:34:12,930 --> 01:34:10,150
on a regular basis the

1984
01:34:14,610 --> 01:34:12,940
moon stands between our perspective of

1985
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:14,620
the Sun between us in our perspective of

1986
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:17,679
the Sun and at regular intervals yes we

1987
01:34:23,220 --> 01:34:20,530
can calculate that the only thing that

1988
01:34:27,630 --> 01:34:23,230
potentially can affect that is a change

1989
01:34:30,899 --> 01:34:27,640
in the motions of those bodies if the

1990
01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:30,909
how many times a year do we have a total

1991
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:34,510
eclipse somewhere on planet Earth that I

1992
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:36,400
can't tell you off the off the top of my

1993
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:38,290
head I know that in ancient times they

1994
01:34:43,380 --> 01:34:41,530
have 40 in China alone total eclipses of

1995
01:34:46,610 --> 01:34:43,390
the Sun that happened in China before

1996
01:34:47,790 --> 01:34:46,620
709 BC that were reported by reliable

1997
01:34:54,209 --> 01:34:47,800
observers

1998
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:54,219
reliable enough that all of our

1999
01:34:58,649 --> 01:34:56,050
timelines of history are based on the

2000
01:35:00,570 --> 01:34:58,659
observation what the historians say this

2001
01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:00,580
this is absolutely reliable statement

2002
01:35:05,820 --> 01:35:03,640
the astronomers are fudge again saying

2003
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:05,830
well there's got to be something out of

2004
01:35:09,740 --> 01:35:08,530
a line here that the guy must not have

2005
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:09,750
told us really what the truth was

2006
01:35:14,850 --> 01:35:12,400
because we can't calculate the Eclipse

2007
01:35:17,850 --> 01:35:14,860
based on what he said yeah and it's my

2008
01:35:21,090 --> 01:35:17,860
memory and I could be wrong here don't

2009
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:21,100
you just save your email everybody but I

2010
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:24,130
think we have a total eclipse somewhere

2011
01:35:28,979 --> 01:35:27,250
on planet Earth once a year right I

2012
01:35:32,100 --> 01:35:28,989
think that I think that's what it

2013
01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:32,110
equates to well I I know that they say

2014
01:35:36,750 --> 01:35:34,900
that somewhere in the world is a woman

2015
01:35:41,689 --> 01:35:36,760
having a baby every minute and we need

2016
01:35:46,970 --> 01:35:41,699
to find that woman and stop her that's

2017
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:46,980
right if we if we look at it that way

2018
01:35:54,510 --> 01:35:51,370
once a year twice every three years and

2019
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:54,520
and you go back throughout time through

2020
01:36:00,090 --> 01:35:57,520
millennia we are talking about a large

2021
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:00,100
number of eclipses that happen over

2022
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:03,130
populated areas and when that happens

2023
01:36:08,250 --> 01:36:05,110
I've seen a total eclipse and it's

2024
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,260
pretty crazy to witness and and what

2025
01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:11,199
happens for those minutes during the

2026
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:13,000
Eclipse it's a crazy have you gone

2027
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,040
through a total eclipse yes I've been

2028
01:36:17,939 --> 01:36:16,960
through a couple actually it is crazy

2029
01:36:22,490 --> 01:36:17,949
it's crazy

2030
01:36:24,860 --> 01:36:22,500
I can't even explain how strange it is

2031
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:24,870
to go through but anyway if you're in a

2032
01:36:30,710 --> 01:36:27,330
culture somewhere on this planet from

2033
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:30,720
from now from today going back and you

2034
01:36:40,250 --> 01:36:35,040
witness a total eclipse that is an event

2035
01:36:42,020 --> 01:36:40,260
that is an event that is noted to give

2036
01:36:43,310 --> 01:36:42,030
you some perspective on how what the

2037
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,320
kind of crazy thing that's happening

2038
01:36:48,140 --> 01:36:45,840
during that during say a total eclipse

2039
01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:48,150
of the Sun I don't know if you've ever

2040
01:36:55,570 --> 01:36:49,860
ever interviewed a woman named Maria

2041
01:36:58,490 --> 01:36:55,580
Wheatley from England she works with

2042
01:37:00,590 --> 01:36:58,500
energy of megalithic sites and she she

2043
01:37:05,330 --> 01:37:00,600
straddles the scientific field as well

2044
01:37:08,570 --> 01:37:05,340
as the the more fringe fields that I'm

2045
01:37:10,370 --> 01:37:08,580
connected with she's been involved in

2046
01:37:11,930 --> 01:37:10,380
scientific studies of the energies that

2047
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:11,940
come off of these megalithic stones at

2048
01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:13,890
places like a brewery and one of the

2049
01:37:18,230 --> 01:37:15,960
things they measured was what happens to

2050
01:37:20,900 --> 01:37:18,240
their certain energies associated with

2051
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,910
moon and other energies associated with

2052
01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:22,800
the Sun that are sort of considered

2053
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:24,030
opposites to each other

2054
01:37:30,530 --> 01:37:26,730
she says that during a total eclipse

2055
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:30,540
those cancel each other out that they're

2056
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:32,850
there instrumentation rig registers that

2057
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:35,370
the energy drops to zero during the

2058
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:36,560
total eclipse

2059
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:40,560
like I can I can see that i meanwe my

2060
01:37:48,340 --> 01:37:45,840
what what I noted from my total eclipse

2061
01:37:54,500 --> 01:37:48,350
thing which was two years ago was that

2062
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:54,510
everything went to like sepia tone right

2063
01:38:00,740 --> 01:37:58,020
it was this crazy disco everything

2064
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:00,750
lacked color right that was that was the

2065
01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:02,850
first thing and it was everything right

2066
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:05,580
it was weird to go through that but the

2067
01:38:12,110 --> 01:38:08,370
the second thing was the sudden

2068
01:38:14,630 --> 01:38:12,120
temperature drop right because we were

2069
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,640
in a hundred degrees situation ninety

2070
01:38:20,690 --> 01:38:17,520
degrees and then suddenly it was like 60

2071
01:38:22,490 --> 01:38:20,700
and I'm not exaggerating you could feel

2072
01:38:23,450 --> 01:38:22,500
it got cold right but this is

2073
01:38:24,980 --> 01:38:23,460
interesting because it brings that

2074
01:38:27,230 --> 01:38:24,990
brings us back to we were talking about

2075
01:38:29,330 --> 01:38:27,240
how they find earth-like planets the way

2076
01:38:31,970 --> 01:38:29,340
they find them is that they way they

2077
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:31,980
watch that a light energy that's coming

2078
01:38:37,020 --> 01:38:34,930
towards the the telescope and

2079
01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:37,030
and the planet planet passes between us

2080
01:38:41,820 --> 01:38:39,790
in the Sun the energy level drops the

2081
01:38:45,420 --> 01:38:41,830
same way you're saying it drops during

2082
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:45,430
an eclipse yeah and the third thing that

2083
01:38:56,130 --> 01:38:50,730
happened was the silence right suddenly

2084
01:38:58,740 --> 01:38:56,140
nothing the energy went to zero you know

2085
01:39:02,690 --> 01:38:58,750
it's weird when you hear all of nature

2086
01:39:07,950 --> 01:39:02,700
suddenly just go mum yep and it was like

2087
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:07,960
for ten minutes this surreal sepia-toned

2088
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:14,110
cold silent netherworld right so if I'm

2089
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:16,090
in an ancient culture and I go through

2090
01:39:24,090 --> 01:39:21,250
that I take note that's right so so

2091
01:39:25,650 --> 01:39:24,100
getting back to the 7 or 9 BC you have

2092
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:25,660
all sorts of weird things happen at that

2093
01:39:31,140 --> 01:39:28,450
boundary first of all we can no longer

2094
01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:31,150
calculate those solar eclipses which are

2095
01:39:35,220 --> 01:39:33,070
those are our anchor points for

2096
01:39:38,190 --> 01:39:35,230
astronomy if we don't know if we can't

2097
01:39:41,190 --> 01:39:38,200
say definitively what date and what

2098
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:41,200
place a solar eclipse happened we have

2099
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:44,050
no idea we have no basis of to make an

2100
01:39:48,420 --> 01:39:45,520
argument where the stars were in

2101
01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:48,430
relation to us and you lose calendar you

2102
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:53,340
also lose dating right that's right and

2103
01:39:59,550 --> 01:39:57,450
what that means is that anything any

2104
01:40:01,560 --> 01:39:59,560
researcher who's making an argument for

2105
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:01,570
alignments to the Stars based on

2106
01:40:08,010 --> 01:40:04,810
calculations with software prior to 709

2107
01:40:09,980 --> 01:40:08,020
BC to a certain extent is talking

2108
01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:09,990
through their hat because we have no

2109
01:40:17,940 --> 01:40:12,550
definite knowledge of where the stars

2110
01:40:20,850 --> 01:40:17,950
were in relation to us then so how if if

2111
01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:20,860
all of this is the case and I would say

2112
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:22,510
that the historical record is the

2113
01:40:27,390 --> 01:40:24,840
historical record and then we go back to

2114
01:40:28,350 --> 01:40:27,400
Velikovsky where now we have the

2115
01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:28,360
cross-checking

2116
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:30,220
right because that's what you need you

2117
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:34,020
need data and the data now supports this

2118
01:40:40,860 --> 01:40:36,610
where does that leave his legacy how

2119
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:40,870
accurate was he well almost weekly a new

2120
01:40:44,970 --> 01:40:42,850
scientific discovery turns up or is

2121
01:40:47,390 --> 01:40:44,980
announced that supports him there was

2122
01:40:49,150 --> 01:40:47,400
one this week it was actually a

2123
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:49,160
scientific finding that

2124
01:40:53,380 --> 01:40:51,530
Pizza study that that came out they

2125
01:40:55,090 --> 01:40:53,390
didn't say it repeats it but I know it

2126
01:40:57,700 --> 01:40:55,100
repeats findings that were made by a

2127
01:41:01,540 --> 01:40:57,710
Chinese group back in the early 2000s

2128
01:41:03,490 --> 01:41:01,550
the announcement was made that they've

2129
01:41:05,980 --> 01:41:03,500
concluded that Jupiter was struck by a

2130
01:41:08,110 --> 01:41:05,990
large body and that explains why the

2131
01:41:10,210 --> 01:41:08,120
core is half the size it should be and

2132
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:10,220
twice as hot as it should be that's the

2133
01:41:14,890 --> 01:41:13,040
kind of energetic event that Carl Sagan

2134
01:41:18,100 --> 01:41:14,900
said would have had to have happened to

2135
01:41:19,810 --> 01:41:18,110
birth Venus from Jupiter that's one of

2136
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:19,820
the arguments he used against Velikovsky

2137
01:41:23,770 --> 01:41:21,530
was that hey you would have had to have

2138
01:41:25,690 --> 01:41:23,780
large portions of Jupiter vaporized and

2139
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:25,700
they would still be intensely hot today

2140
01:41:32,050 --> 01:41:29,330
if that happened now do you think that

2141
01:41:36,190 --> 01:41:32,060
there is an astrophysicist or an

2142
01:41:40,350 --> 01:41:36,200
astronomer or a cosmologists that is you

2143
01:41:45,850 --> 01:41:40,360
know is going to be Robert Schoch --is--

2144
01:41:48,250 --> 01:41:45,860
right that is willing to put a tenure

2145
01:41:49,420 --> 01:41:48,260
and the reputation on the line and come

2146
01:41:51,730 --> 01:41:49,430
out and say hey there there may be

2147
01:41:52,930 --> 01:41:51,740
something to Velikovsky and we really

2148
01:41:57,490 --> 01:41:52,940
need to go back and take another look

2149
01:42:01,210 --> 01:41:57,500
that Venus may only be 2500 years old

2150
01:42:03,730 --> 01:42:01,220
no that is professional suicide for an

2151
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:03,740
astronomer it would be wouldn't it yeah

2152
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:06,110
and so I don't honestly believe there's

2153
01:42:11,290 --> 01:42:07,730
gonna be anybody who does that even

2154
01:42:14,260 --> 01:42:11,300
though the looks more closely look at it

2155
01:42:16,660 --> 01:42:14,270
the more every single finding does that

2156
01:42:19,150 --> 01:42:16,670
supports Velikovsky even to the point

2157
01:42:20,830 --> 01:42:19,160
that these days when they announce those

2158
01:42:22,990 --> 01:42:20,840
new findings that could support him

2159
01:42:27,070 --> 01:42:23,000
they're usually announced hand-in-hand

2160
01:42:28,780 --> 01:42:27,080
with a second announcement that whose

2161
01:42:32,860 --> 01:42:28,790
effect is to distance that first one

2162
01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:32,870
from Velikovsky and I'll give you an

2163
01:42:36,490 --> 01:42:35,150
example on the Velikovsky had said that

2164
01:42:38,710 --> 01:42:36,500
when we got to Venus we would discover

2165
01:42:40,780 --> 01:42:38,720
that because it's young its surface was

2166
01:42:42,730 --> 01:42:40,790
very pristine compared to what we expect

2167
01:42:46,270 --> 01:42:42,740
of an a very old planet it wouldn't have

2168
01:42:49,690 --> 01:42:46,280
all the cratered the pockmarked pockmark

2169
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:49,700
crater impacts on it well sure enough we

2170
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:51,890
got the to Venus discovered and had a

2171
01:42:56,290 --> 01:42:54,290
very pristine serviced surface and the

2172
01:43:00,340 --> 01:42:56,300
astronomers said well clearly what

2173
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:00,350
happened here was that geology that we

2174
01:43:04,510 --> 01:43:02,810
don't understand glowed somehow globally

2175
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:04,520
surface Venus in the last million years

2176
01:43:11,670 --> 01:43:08,960
yeah yeah yeah plate tectonics and so my

2177
01:43:14,590 --> 01:43:11,680
outlook is you're really gonna prefer

2178
01:43:16,300 --> 01:43:14,600
relying on geology that we have no

2179
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:16,310
theoretical basis for over what

2180
01:43:21,730 --> 01:43:19,730
milligauss season now I know I want the

2181
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,740
audience to know that Laird is with this

2182
01:43:27,370 --> 01:43:23,840
live from New York he's on the East

2183
01:43:30,250 --> 01:43:27,380
Coast but I'm not ready Laird to stop

2184
01:43:34,630 --> 01:43:30,260
this conversation so can I get you to

2185
01:43:38,110 --> 01:43:34,640
hang on because when we come back you

2186
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:38,120
just you spoke about Tess and you just

2187
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:39,410
went to a conference and saw a

2188
01:43:46,420 --> 01:43:44,210
presentation about Tess and I actually I

2189
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:46,430
want to talk about that in the recent

2190
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:48,650
discoveries that are going on not only

2191
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:50,840
in our own Milky Way but what is going

2192
01:43:53,230 --> 01:43:52,970
on in our universe can you stay right

2193
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:53,240
there

2194
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:55,370
sure absolutely yeah that's what I'm

2195
01:43:58,990 --> 01:43:57,290
talking about Laird Scranton you know

2196
01:44:00,610 --> 01:43:59,000
hey Laird you should I don't know if

2197
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:00,620
you're on Twitter right now but you need

2198
01:44:04,900 --> 01:44:02,330
to see everybody's reactions to this

2199
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:04,910
conversation it is absolutely wonderful

2200
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:07,490
Laird Scranton is our guest let's do

2201
01:44:11,260 --> 01:44:09,170
some overtime this is fade to black I'm

2202
01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:11,270
yours Jimmy Church and the game changer

2203
01:44:27,020 --> 01:44:14,420
Network in kg are a the planet stay with

2204
01:44:32,669 --> 01:44:29,669
welcome back fade to black I am hope to

2205
01:44:35,340 --> 01:44:32,679
return doing it over time Laird Scranton

2206
01:44:39,900 --> 01:44:35,350
but you expected that great conversation

2207
01:44:41,820 --> 01:44:39,910
tonight before we move on I do want to

2208
01:44:44,010 --> 01:44:41,830
talk about tests and and recent

2209
01:44:46,530 --> 01:44:44,020
discoveries but I just got an

2210
01:44:49,919 --> 01:44:46,540
interesting tweet here Laird direct

2211
01:44:52,830 --> 01:44:49,929
directed at you okay and this is Laird

2212
01:44:56,370 --> 01:44:52,840
was wondering if you have an opinion on

2213
01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:56,380
the half circle's seal on one of the

2214
01:45:00,479 --> 01:44:58,570
granite leaves in the Great Pyramid it's

2215
01:45:02,910 --> 01:45:00,489
the only symbol in the entire pyramid

2216
01:45:07,169 --> 01:45:02,920
yet no one talks about it it's before

2217
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:07,179
the King's Chamber let's see I'm not

2218
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:09,850
familiar with that that symbol I'll see

2219
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:12,130
if I can I'm looking I'm looking at it

2220
01:45:18,660 --> 01:45:16,810
here it's uh it's on the drop down right

2221
01:45:23,250 --> 01:45:18,670
before you enter the King's Chamber

2222
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,260
there the drop down granite slabs that

2223
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:25,600
are in those slots right

2224
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:28,840
and on the second granite slab yeah by

2225
01:45:34,650 --> 01:45:31,449
see it here yeah yeah oh you're on

2226
01:45:39,930 --> 01:45:34,660
Twitter you're looking at it I'm looking

2227
01:45:41,010 --> 01:45:39,940
up on Google Images okay Google Google's

2228
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:41,020
gonna be huge

2229
01:45:50,060 --> 01:45:46,890
I hear it's going to be big okay so um

2230
01:45:51,630 --> 01:45:50,070
that kind of a half half circle

2231
01:45:54,209 --> 01:45:51,640
cosmologically speaking is a

2232
01:45:59,280 --> 01:45:54,219
representation of the moon but it's also

2233
01:46:02,340 --> 01:45:59,290
symbolic of the non-material it when the

2234
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:02,350
Dogon represent Sirius and the Sun

2235
01:46:05,209 --> 01:46:03,850
coming together which is a metaphor for

2236
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:05,219
them and non material and material

2237
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:08,410
domains coming together that half half

2238
01:46:12,330 --> 01:46:10,719
circle symbol represents that do you see

2239
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:12,340
the same thing on the on one of the

2240
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:15,610
gobekli tepe pillars you see half moon

2241
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:19,840
symbolism that that taken together that

2242
01:46:25,950 --> 01:46:23,770
with a Sun glyph is one of the ways of

2243
01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:25,960
representing a sanctuary and another way

2244
01:46:30,209 --> 01:46:28,120
is with three three hemispheres or

2245
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:30,219
arches which is those three handbag

2246
01:46:34,350 --> 01:46:32,170
shapes on the gobekli tepe I was just

2247
01:46:36,419 --> 01:46:34,360
gonna go there yes I was just gonna go

2248
01:46:38,340 --> 01:46:36,429
there another way of representing the

2249
01:46:39,180 --> 01:46:38,350
concept of a sanctuary where the not the

2250
01:46:40,860 --> 01:46:39,190
non-material mature

2251
01:46:42,750 --> 01:46:40,870
come together it's represented as an

2252
01:46:44,939 --> 01:46:42,760
embrace and that's what we see

2253
01:46:46,170 --> 01:46:44,949
represented with the two arms that the

2254
01:46:47,490 --> 01:46:46,180
amorphous arms that come out of the

2255
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:47,500
sides of the pillar and wrapped down

2256
01:46:51,689 --> 01:46:49,210
around the end of the pillar took me a

2257
01:46:53,340 --> 01:46:51,699
long time to realize someone was trying

2258
01:46:55,740 --> 01:46:53,350
to represent the artistically the

2259
01:47:00,479 --> 01:46:55,750
concept of a warm embrace a familial

2260
01:47:04,979 --> 01:47:00,489
embrace with those cold carved arms and

2261
01:47:06,990 --> 01:47:04,989
hands now what do you make of what do

2262
01:47:09,810 --> 01:47:07,000
you make of the purses I mean we have

2263
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:09,820
the purses just about

2264
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:12,010
I mean it's those purses are nearly

2265
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:14,770
transoceanic right I mean they're

2266
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:19,440
they're everywhere they're Sumerian

2267
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:23,050
relief text too as well we say you see

2268
01:47:26,700 --> 01:47:25,210
them on every kind of perspectives uh I

2269
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:26,710
can give you two perspectives on those

2270
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:31,920
purses one of the traditional

2271
01:47:38,250 --> 01:47:35,410
descriptions alternate descriptions of

2272
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:38,260
the symbolic cosmology is to refer to it

2273
01:47:42,090 --> 01:47:40,570
as the basket cosmology the Dogon talked

2274
01:47:46,830 --> 01:47:42,100
about it that way

2275
01:47:50,930 --> 01:47:46,840
so a basket becomes a symbol for

2276
01:47:54,630 --> 01:47:50,940
knowledge in ancient Egypt the earliest

2277
01:47:57,150 --> 01:47:54,640
portable sanctuaries called says sch

2278
01:47:59,850 --> 01:47:57,160
were completed that way I got a bamboo

2279
01:48:02,189 --> 01:47:59,860
so they had a curved top and a and a

2280
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:02,199
s'more squared bottom shape just like

2281
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:04,770
those handbags now you go to the Maori

2282
01:48:09,900 --> 01:48:08,110
tradition in New Zealand many millennia

2283
01:48:12,330 --> 01:48:09,910
later and there's a myth that survives

2284
01:48:16,140 --> 01:48:12,340
one of the the departmental God's name

2285
01:48:18,420 --> 01:48:16,150
tani ascends to the gods and returns

2286
01:48:20,220 --> 01:48:18,430
with three baskets of knowledge these

2287
01:48:23,070 --> 01:48:20,230
are baskets that they're symbolic of the

2288
01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:23,080
idea of instruction knowledge okay hey

2289
01:48:28,350 --> 01:48:26,830
that that's fine I'm going more literal

2290
01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:28,360
I think there's something else

2291
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:32,260
III think it's a nuclear suitcase it

2292
01:48:36,570 --> 01:48:33,760
could be I mean it certainly does look

2293
01:48:38,340 --> 01:48:36,580
like a tool and the what's described as

2294
01:48:40,500 --> 01:48:38,350
a pomegranate in the other hand of

2295
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:40,510
figures that are carved holding the

2296
01:48:46,110 --> 01:48:44,650
baskets certainly is being held in a way

2297
01:48:49,770 --> 01:48:46,120
that looks like it's being utilized as a

2298
01:48:52,299 --> 01:48:49,780
tool so far the only only toe holds I

2299
01:48:54,219 --> 01:48:52,309
into I have into the symbolism

2300
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:54,229
come from the cosmological perspective

2301
01:48:58,180 --> 01:48:56,239
where it represents it's symbolic of the

2302
01:49:01,870 --> 01:48:58,190
concept of knowledge or gathering of

2303
01:49:05,169 --> 01:49:01,880
knowledge and again let's let's go in

2304
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:05,179
another direction I see I literally see

2305
01:49:13,419 --> 01:49:08,960
like a briefcase a diplomat with his

2306
01:49:16,810 --> 01:49:13,429
show notes you know information the

2307
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:16,820
stuff that he's taking with him from

2308
01:49:21,969 --> 01:49:19,610
place to place and again I'm just saying

2309
01:49:25,839 --> 01:49:21,979
looking at it literally we can we can

2310
01:49:28,330 --> 01:49:25,849
figure out a symbol as way of looking at

2311
01:49:31,390 --> 01:49:28,340
it for sure there are but when each

2312
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:31,400
culture has got one of their leaders

2313
01:49:39,759 --> 01:49:35,210
holding the exact not even you know it's

2314
01:49:41,879 --> 01:49:39,769
the exact same object right I agree

2315
01:49:44,169 --> 01:49:41,889
completely

2316
01:49:46,419 --> 01:49:44,179
one of the restrictions that I end up

2317
01:49:50,379 --> 01:49:46,429
working under that the biggest threat to

2318
01:49:52,209 --> 01:49:50,389
my work is then I'll end up running off

2319
01:49:53,709 --> 01:49:52,219
chasing off after something that looks

2320
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:53,719
like a resemblance to me that actually

2321
01:49:58,180 --> 01:49:56,090
doesn't isn't anything the human brain

2322
01:50:01,000 --> 01:49:58,190
is wired to see patterns whether they

2323
01:50:04,359 --> 01:50:01,010
exist or really in reality or not and so

2324
01:50:06,279 --> 01:50:04,369
to protect myself from doing that I make

2325
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:06,289
the rule for myself that if a culture

2326
01:50:11,950 --> 01:50:08,570
doesn't represent a thing to be true I

2327
01:50:15,219 --> 01:50:11,960
can't represent it to be true and so I

2328
01:50:17,290 --> 01:50:15,229
have to work from what each of the the

2329
01:50:19,180 --> 01:50:17,300
cultures I'm studying flatly States and

2330
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,190
what they're representing these shapes

2331
01:50:23,950 --> 01:50:21,920
as being is is essentially baskets or

2332
01:50:25,359 --> 01:50:23,960
represented there is more more

2333
01:50:27,310 --> 01:50:25,369
essentially it represent it's another

2334
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:27,320
way of representing the non-material in

2335
01:50:31,959 --> 01:50:28,880
the material coming together which again

2336
01:50:36,339 --> 01:50:31,969
comes down to a concept of transmission

2337
01:50:38,649 --> 01:50:36,349
of knowledge and it could be a purse a

2338
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,659
briefcase full of knowledge it could be

2339
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:39,920
I can't say that it couldn't be that

2340
01:50:49,060 --> 01:50:45,050
goes all the way back to Atlantis okay

2341
01:50:53,890 --> 01:50:49,070
let's let's get to let's get to tests

2342
01:50:55,450 --> 01:50:53,900
and and before we do what why I mean

2343
01:50:59,770 --> 01:50:55,460
you're a seeker of knowledge for sure

2344
01:51:03,310 --> 01:50:59,780
but what what made you go and see a

2345
01:51:03,939 --> 01:51:03,320
presentation on exoplanets and Tess's

2346
01:51:05,709 --> 01:51:03,949
mission

2347
01:51:07,689 --> 01:51:05,719
well that

2348
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:07,699
whole subject of exoplanets has direct

2349
01:51:12,100 --> 01:51:09,920
bearing on the Velikovsky material I've

2350
01:51:13,989 --> 01:51:12,110
worked on mmm and so anytime there's a

2351
01:51:16,270 --> 01:51:13,999
new announcement or I have access to

2352
01:51:17,649 --> 01:51:16,280
somebody who has direct knowledge of

2353
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:17,659
what they're doing with the exoplanets I

2354
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:20,210
want to hear it because it's quite

2355
01:51:23,500 --> 01:51:21,530
likely to turn up something that has

2356
01:51:27,279 --> 01:51:23,510
bearing on what I've already written

2357
01:51:30,580 --> 01:51:27,289
about right right and if we if we look

2358
01:51:32,350 --> 01:51:30,590
at as we discussed earlier you know

2359
01:51:37,029 --> 01:51:32,360
science is nothing but a series of

2360
01:51:38,049 --> 01:51:37,039
Corrections to series of Corrections

2361
01:51:41,709 --> 01:51:38,059
that's what it should be

2362
01:51:47,049 --> 01:51:41,719
yep and if we go back and we start to

2363
01:51:51,580 --> 01:51:47,059
look at how far we have come since 1923

2364
01:51:52,450 --> 01:51:51,590
because in 1923 there was no universe as

2365
01:51:55,390 --> 01:51:52,460
we know it

2366
01:51:58,270 --> 01:51:55,400
it was the Milky Way and that was it

2367
01:52:01,359 --> 01:51:58,280
right and there was a lot of evidence

2368
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:01,369
back then to support that idea and I get

2369
01:52:09,969 --> 01:52:04,820
that but by 1924 the world was tipped

2370
01:52:12,100 --> 01:52:09,979
over with the new Mount Wilson telescope

2371
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:12,110
suddenly we're looking at Andromeda the

2372
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:14,570
universe is expanding at a faster rate

2373
01:52:22,509 --> 01:52:18,530
and there are galaxies out there outside

2374
01:52:25,419 --> 01:52:22,519
of the Milky Way that was just 1924 and

2375
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:25,429
it wasn't 1900 years and it's a lifetime

2376
01:52:34,899 --> 01:52:29,449
ago that's it one lifetime and but back

2377
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:34,909
then still that earth was it you know no

2378
01:52:39,489 --> 01:52:36,320
matter what they were discovering out

2379
01:52:41,410 --> 01:52:39,499
there planets were the rare thing you

2380
01:52:44,319 --> 01:52:41,420
know they honestly felt that we could

2381
01:52:47,229 --> 01:52:44,329
quite possibly be it and and that was it

2382
01:52:49,899 --> 01:52:47,239
stars were stars and so forth how far we

2383
01:52:52,049 --> 01:52:49,909
have come not only since then but how

2384
01:52:55,029 --> 01:52:52,059
far we have come in the last 20 years

2385
01:52:59,979 --> 01:52:55,039
because 20 years ago we discovered our

2386
01:53:04,810 --> 01:52:59,989
first exoplanet I was 20 years ago and

2387
01:53:06,959 --> 01:53:04,820
now I think that the most exciting gig

2388
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:06,969
out there wouldn't be being in

2389
01:53:13,989 --> 01:53:11,690
egyptologist it would be an astronomer

2390
01:53:16,270 --> 01:53:13,999
what a great gig today because you know

2391
01:53:18,819 --> 01:53:16,280
if you go to work you're gonna find an

2392
01:53:19,540 --> 01:53:18,829
exoplanet tonight that's right

2393
01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:19,550
no it

2394
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:21,260
like a really interesting field to be in

2395
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:25,040
and when when we start to take a look at

2396
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:30,320
this where our Milky Way now forget

2397
01:53:37,530 --> 01:53:32,750
forgetting about the universe but our

2398
01:53:44,290 --> 01:53:37,540
Milky Way now the number is approaching

2399
01:53:47,290 --> 01:53:44,300
500 billion stars 500 billion where it

2400
01:53:49,810 --> 01:53:47,300
was 50 billion it was 10 billion not

2401
01:53:52,439 --> 01:53:49,820
that long ago right this is right right

2402
01:53:57,100 --> 01:53:52,449
and now we're looking at 500 billion and

2403
01:53:58,959 --> 01:53:57,110
the the strong suggestion today from the

2404
01:54:01,720 --> 01:53:58,969
smartest physicists out there that are

2405
01:54:04,899 --> 01:54:01,730
doing presentations on this is that the

2406
01:54:11,859 --> 01:54:04,909
next count of planets in our Milky Way

2407
01:54:16,030 --> 01:54:11,869
is a trillion a trillion planets well

2408
01:54:19,419 --> 01:54:16,040
yeah I mean that's that's that's that

2409
01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:19,429
that's crazy town and when we take the

2410
01:54:26,649 --> 01:54:22,719
math Laird and you throw that into our

2411
01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:26,659
our universe and how many galaxies that

2412
01:54:30,220 --> 01:54:28,460
are out there which we don't even know

2413
01:54:33,129 --> 01:54:30,230
now because they're disappearing faster

2414
01:54:36,399 --> 01:54:33,139
than we can find them and each one of

2415
01:54:40,020 --> 01:54:36,409
those galaxies has 500 billion stars and

2416
01:54:42,729 --> 01:54:40,030
each one has possibly a trillion planets

2417
01:54:43,330 --> 01:54:42,739
the numbers now are completely out of

2418
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:43,340
control

2419
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:47,210
where none of this was knowledge just 20

2420
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:51,650
30 40 years ago right and honestly

2421
01:54:56,379 --> 01:54:54,170
that's the kind of perspective that the

2422
01:55:01,629 --> 01:54:56,389
Dogon say their ancient ancient teachers

2423
01:55:04,810 --> 01:55:01,639
were trying to encourage us to discover

2424
01:55:07,689 --> 01:55:04,820
they wanted us to understand our true

2425
01:55:09,819 --> 01:55:07,699
position in relation to the larger

2426
01:55:13,660 --> 01:55:09,829
processes of cosmology of creation

2427
01:55:15,700 --> 01:55:13,670
because I think their conviction was

2428
01:55:17,709 --> 01:55:15,710
that if we understood what our real

2429
01:55:18,850 --> 01:55:17,719
position was in relation to that that we

2430
01:55:21,370 --> 01:55:18,860
would make a different set of choices

2431
01:55:24,810 --> 01:55:21,380
for ourselves than thinking that we were

2432
01:55:28,919 --> 01:55:24,820
the the be-all and end-all of creation

2433
01:55:32,839 --> 01:55:28,929
do you think that it has shifted from

2434
01:55:37,339 --> 01:55:32,849
the possibility of life

2435
01:55:40,039 --> 01:55:37,349
other than on earth - how much life is

2436
01:55:41,839 --> 01:55:40,049
out there absolutely I think that the

2437
01:55:44,449 --> 01:55:41,849
the potential for life is built right

2438
01:55:47,959 --> 01:55:44,459
into the structure as is the potential

2439
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:47,969
for consciousness and that any place

2440
01:55:51,799 --> 01:55:50,159
where the conditions are right just as

2441
01:55:53,329 --> 01:55:51,809
you know on our planet any place where

2442
01:55:57,020 --> 01:55:53,339
the conditions are even remotely right

2443
01:55:58,429 --> 01:55:57,030
we find weeds growing any place we go in

2444
01:55:59,839 --> 01:55:58,439
the universe where the conditions are

2445
01:56:03,349 --> 01:55:59,849
remotely right we're gonna find life

2446
01:56:06,619 --> 01:56:03,359
yeah we can't stop it right you know

2447
01:56:08,929 --> 01:56:06,629
that's the thing life life is inevitable

2448
01:56:10,879 --> 01:56:08,939
you know it's something that cannot be

2449
01:56:13,549 --> 01:56:10,889
stopped no matter what we've gone

2450
01:56:17,289 --> 01:56:13,559
through the most disastrous craziest

2451
01:56:21,020 --> 01:56:17,299
events on this planet right extra mass

2452
01:56:23,149 --> 01:56:21,030
extermination events the next day life

2453
01:56:26,299 --> 01:56:23,159
right yep you're right

2454
01:56:30,020 --> 01:56:26,309
the going back to the doggins

2455
01:56:32,829 --> 01:56:30,030
and the the the possibility of contact

2456
01:56:36,409 --> 01:56:32,839
and civilizations other than our own

2457
01:56:38,329 --> 01:56:36,419
knowing where we are how to get here and

2458
01:56:41,629 --> 01:56:38,339
and studying us I think that is just

2459
01:56:46,579 --> 01:56:41,639
that I think that's just accepted but

2460
01:56:49,279 --> 01:56:46,589
the Dogon had knowledge of which you

2461
01:56:52,099 --> 01:56:49,289
have spoken about knowledge of things

2462
01:56:55,609 --> 01:56:52,109
forget about celestial bodies but they

2463
01:57:00,500 --> 01:56:55,619
had they had knowledge of the quantum of

2464
01:57:02,659 --> 01:57:00,510
the very very small she's surely an

2465
01:57:05,659 --> 01:57:02,669
impossibility if we just take it at face

2466
01:57:07,669 --> 01:57:05,669
value that the Dogon were just a tribe

2467
01:57:10,099 --> 01:57:07,679
in the middle of Africa that they they

2468
01:57:11,779 --> 01:57:10,109
shouldn't have known anything right well

2469
01:57:13,789 --> 01:57:11,789
they're saying that this wasn't

2470
01:57:16,129 --> 01:57:13,799
knowledge that they themselves developed

2471
01:57:17,989 --> 01:57:16,139
they learned this from somebody who

2472
01:57:21,319 --> 01:57:17,999
understood it it wasn't given this

2473
01:57:23,469 --> 01:57:21,329
theory it was given as here's how things

2474
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:23,479
work don't forget it

2475
01:57:29,389 --> 01:57:26,639
well so that the Dogon sir - the job of

2476
01:57:33,319 --> 01:57:29,399
Dogon society is to preserve that in

2477
01:57:37,459 --> 01:57:33,329
original form how can okay

2478
01:57:41,449 --> 01:57:37,469
a quantum which for everybody out there

2479
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:41,459
I mean quantum wasn't even a field of

2480
01:57:45,410 --> 01:57:44,249
study until Albert Einstein started to

2481
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:45,420
break this down

2482
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:47,810
right and and quantum theory quantum

2483
01:57:53,900 --> 01:57:52,170
mechanics again this is a lifetime ago

2484
01:57:57,530 --> 01:57:53,910
that's it it's we're talking about a

2485
01:58:00,320 --> 01:57:57,540
hundred years of study but the Dogon had

2486
01:58:04,910 --> 01:58:00,330
a grasp on this represented this in

2487
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:04,920
their symbolism and and that that's

2488
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:07,410
crazy it doesn't make any sense does it

2489
01:58:12,919 --> 01:58:09,210
that they would have knowledge of of

2490
01:58:14,750 --> 01:58:12,929
atoms and photons and electrons stuff

2491
01:58:20,630 --> 01:58:14,760
that didn't even get discussed until

2492
01:58:25,189 --> 01:58:20,640
1905 right and but it's presented in

2493
01:58:32,330 --> 01:58:25,199
such an intuitively believable way that

2494
01:58:34,220 --> 01:58:32,340
it's very testable also one thing we

2495
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:34,230
have to understand coming into it is

2496
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:38,880
that the ancient creation tradition is

2497
01:58:45,439 --> 01:58:42,210
not above fibbing to us and I'll give

2498
01:58:48,979 --> 01:58:45,449
you some examples oh yeah the Dogon say

2499
01:58:51,410 --> 01:58:48,989
publicly that their celebration of

2500
01:58:53,930 --> 01:58:51,420
Sirius which is the the starves the you

2501
01:58:56,290 --> 01:58:53,940
know the stars of Sirius happens every

2502
01:58:59,240 --> 01:58:56,300
60 years is called the ciggy festival

2503
01:59:02,000 --> 01:58:59,250
but in fact what happens according to

2504
01:59:04,910 --> 01:59:02,010
the French anthropologists is that after

2505
01:59:07,790 --> 01:59:04,920
50 years has passed the Dogon priests

2506
01:59:10,660 --> 01:59:07,800
finds some pretext to quote/unquote make

2507
01:59:14,030 --> 01:59:10,670
an exception this one time and celebrate

2508
01:59:17,300 --> 01:59:14,040
the hold the celebration after 50 years

2509
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:17,310
instead of after 60 and because none of

2510
01:59:21,950 --> 01:59:19,170
the Dogon tribes people live long enough

2511
01:59:24,500 --> 01:59:21,960
for on average to detect you know to see

2512
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:24,510
two of these and very few people do

2513
01:59:31,550 --> 01:59:27,570
nobody ever discovers the deception it's

2514
01:59:34,610 --> 01:59:31,560
a fib they make well another of these

2515
01:59:38,150 --> 01:59:34,620
fibs these little fibs that certain

2516
01:59:40,130 --> 01:59:38,160
tradition makes is the representation

2517
01:59:44,570 --> 01:59:40,140
that those fundamental concepts of

2518
01:59:46,910 --> 01:59:44,580
creation are unknowable this is what

2519
01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:46,920
public Buddhism does public Buddhism

2520
01:59:50,990 --> 01:59:48,960
like every religion you ever heard of

2521
01:59:52,459 --> 01:59:51,000
says well you're never gonna understand

2522
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:52,469
this stuff because it's fundamentally

2523
01:59:57,200 --> 01:59:55,050
unknowable humans can't grasp it

2524
01:59:58,189 --> 01:59:57,210
don't try to because you'll just never

2525
02:00:00,879 --> 01:59:58,199
understand it it's

2526
02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:00,889
beyond our capability you get to

2527
02:00:05,870 --> 02:00:03,209
esoteric Buddhist Buddhism which is the

2528
02:00:08,660 --> 02:00:05,880
private Buddhism and they admit oh well

2529
02:00:11,029 --> 02:00:08,670
we've tipped about that actually as it

2530
02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:11,039
turns out there are a handful of

2531
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:13,170
dynamics of energy that are perfectly

2532
02:00:17,149 --> 02:00:15,690
understandable on which all the

2533
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:17,159
structures are based and they play out

2534
02:00:21,529 --> 02:00:19,650
in similar form on the quantum level and

2535
02:00:23,719 --> 02:00:21,539
on every scale upward from the quantum

2536
02:00:27,229 --> 02:00:23,729
level if you understand and the don't

2537
02:00:29,479 --> 02:00:27,239
the Adobe encouraged us to do is to look

2538
02:00:31,729 --> 02:00:29,489
at the processes that we can observe as

2539
02:00:33,649 --> 02:00:31,739
a way of understanding the processes we

2540
02:00:35,930 --> 02:00:33,659
can't because the processes are parallel

2541
02:00:37,699 --> 02:00:35,940
so if we understand what the

2542
02:00:39,949 --> 02:00:37,709
relationship of the two serious stars

2543
02:00:43,609 --> 02:00:39,959
are to each other we understand what the

2544
02:00:46,969 --> 02:00:43,619
relationship of two of the dynamics of

2545
02:00:49,489 --> 02:00:46,979
two virtual particles is and you discuss

2546
02:00:52,009 --> 02:00:49,499
this let's stay right there for a second

2547
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:52,019
blurred you had an amazing conversation

2548
02:00:59,449 --> 02:00:55,650
with John Anthony West and I can't

2549
02:01:01,959 --> 02:00:59,459
remember what documentary or where this

2550
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:01,969
was presented but you and John and John

2551
02:01:11,469 --> 02:01:08,130
asked you about the best symbolism that

2552
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:11,479
you can present of the Dogon

2553
02:01:18,049 --> 02:01:16,170
understanding the quantum and and do you

2554
02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:18,059
remember that conversation with jaws and

2555
02:01:22,669 --> 02:01:20,249
and and can you recount that that

2556
02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:22,679
probably came from the magical Egypt

2557
02:01:29,839 --> 02:01:26,400
documentary series episode 8 is is me

2558
02:01:32,209 --> 02:01:29,849
and John Wright in fact that was the day

2559
02:01:34,069 --> 02:01:32,219
I first met John he didn't tell me in

2560
02:01:36,949 --> 02:01:34,079
advance that he was gonna film it okay

2561
02:01:40,459 --> 02:01:36,959
so I walk into his apartment my wife

2562
02:01:42,949 --> 02:01:40,469
recent i walk in and there's chance

2563
02:01:46,129 --> 02:01:42,959
gardener from magical egypt with a

2564
02:01:47,779 --> 02:01:46,139
camera and john anthony west we meet and

2565
02:01:53,029 --> 02:01:47,789
we sit down we started talking and the

2566
02:01:54,859 --> 02:01:53,039
whole thing's filmed so yes there there

2567
02:01:57,589 --> 02:01:54,869
are a couple of highly intuitive images

2568
02:01:58,879 --> 02:01:57,599
that no gonna have that that are should

2569
02:01:59,959 --> 02:01:58,889
convince anyone that they know what

2570
02:02:02,870 --> 02:01:59,969
they're talking about when it comes to

2571
02:02:05,180 --> 02:02:02,880
science this goes along with a Buddhist

2572
02:02:08,299 --> 02:02:05,190
concept of what's called the adequate

2573
02:02:09,799 --> 02:02:08,309
symbol these are symbols that inherently

2574
02:02:12,020 --> 02:02:09,809
can't lose their meaning because they

2575
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:12,030
represent something in nature that

2576
02:02:16,189 --> 02:02:13,650
once you see the shape you understand

2577
02:02:19,089 --> 02:02:16,199
what they're talking about one of those

2578
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:19,099
representations is they talk about

2579
02:02:24,470 --> 02:02:22,170
effectively how electrons relate to

2580
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:24,480
atoms and the drawing they used to

2581
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:27,210
represent that is one of the classic

2582
02:02:32,479 --> 02:02:30,960
shapes of an electron orbital shape that

2583
02:02:34,220 --> 02:02:32,489
they can image it with using electron

2584
02:02:35,660 --> 02:02:34,230
microscopes we know exactly what it

2585
02:02:38,750 --> 02:02:35,670
looks like and the dogon draw it

2586
02:02:41,890 --> 02:02:38,760
properly so that's one the second one is

2587
02:02:45,709 --> 02:02:41,900
the way they represent concept of

2588
02:02:47,330 --> 02:02:45,719
fundamental particles there Stephen

2589
02:02:50,029 --> 02:02:47,340
Hawking says that there are more than

2590
02:02:55,069 --> 02:02:50,039
200 fundamental particles in nature

2591
02:02:57,439 --> 02:02:55,079
the Dogon say there are 266 mm now both

2592
02:02:59,299 --> 02:02:57,449
the scientists and the Dogon classified

2593
02:03:01,010 --> 02:02:59,309
these particles into four groupings and

2594
02:03:03,410 --> 02:03:01,020
they do it on the same basis they do it

2595
02:03:06,169 --> 02:03:03,420
based on the symmetry of the kind of

2596
02:03:08,180 --> 02:03:06,179
particle there's some particles one

2597
02:03:11,180 --> 02:03:08,190
class of particles that look the same

2598
02:03:14,629 --> 02:03:11,190
from all four sides like if you were

2599
02:03:17,089 --> 02:03:14,639
looking at a globe or a rubber balls I'd

2600
02:03:19,010 --> 02:03:17,099
write another class a particle that has

2601
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:19,020
to be turned around half way to look the

2602
02:03:25,609 --> 02:03:24,000
same like double sided arrow there's

2603
02:03:26,959 --> 02:03:25,619
another part kind of particle that has

2604
02:03:29,799 --> 02:03:26,969
to be turned all the way around to look

2605
02:03:32,689 --> 02:03:29,809
the same like single pointed arrow and

2606
02:03:34,819 --> 02:03:32,699
there's a fourth very mysterious class

2607
02:03:37,669 --> 02:03:34,829
of particles that has to be turned

2608
02:03:41,290 --> 02:03:37,679
around twice to look the same and that

2609
02:03:43,819 --> 02:03:41,300
said that fourth class of particle is

2610
02:03:47,569 --> 02:03:43,829
the part that's the kind of symmetry

2611
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:47,579
that electrons and protons have this is

2612
02:03:51,470 --> 02:03:49,170
the particle that has the potential to

2613
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:51,480
be moving into and out of a blind spot

2614
02:03:56,930 --> 02:03:55,050
for scientists that one perspective on

2615
02:04:00,649 --> 02:03:56,940
why we have to turn it around twice is

2616
02:04:03,140 --> 02:04:00,659
because as I say moves into a blind area

2617
02:04:04,310 --> 02:04:03,150
and then out of that blind area but

2618
02:04:10,899 --> 02:04:04,320
looks to us like we're turning it around

2619
02:04:13,700 --> 02:04:10,909
twice and so okay I want the audience to

2620
02:04:17,779 --> 02:04:13,710
understand that what we are discussing

2621
02:04:20,930 --> 02:04:17,789
right now is fresh knowledge and

2622
02:04:21,709 --> 02:04:20,940
research this did this isn't hundreds of

2623
02:04:24,590 --> 02:04:21,719
years old

2624
02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:24,600
the all of the revelations

2625
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:26,730
especially when it comes on the atomic

2626
02:04:31,850 --> 02:04:29,850
scale and what goes on inside of an atom

2627
02:04:34,910 --> 02:04:31,860
or photon or an electron of these

2628
02:04:38,210 --> 02:04:34,920
different particles this is all in the

2629
02:04:42,230 --> 02:04:38,220
20th century this is this is brand-new

2630
02:04:44,180 --> 02:04:42,240
and there is no way well I mean there is

2631
02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:44,190
a way but there's no way that the dogon

2632
02:04:49,850 --> 02:04:47,130
or anybody else before 1900 would have a

2633
02:04:52,220 --> 02:04:49,860
grasp on any of these concepts in the

2634
02:04:56,390 --> 02:04:52,230
traditional view there is no way that

2635
02:04:58,010 --> 02:04:56,400
any ancient society without great help

2636
02:05:00,260 --> 02:04:58,020
from somebody who knew a lot more than

2637
02:05:03,950 --> 02:05:00,270
they did could understand this stuff now

2638
02:05:08,770 --> 02:05:03,960
one key question I asked myself a couple

2639
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:08,780
of years back it occurred to me to ask

2640
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:13,920
is there geometry that represents that

2641
02:05:17,810 --> 02:05:16,320
fourth category of particle that fourth

2642
02:05:20,990 --> 02:05:17,820
category class of particles is called

2643
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:21,000
the half spin particle mm-hmm is is

2644
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:23,250
there a geometric representation of that

2645
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:25,410
kind of particle and so I did some

2646
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:28,170
research and I discover there is the

2647
02:05:33,290 --> 02:05:30,930
geometry that represents it is the very

2648
02:05:35,560 --> 02:05:33,300
same geometry that's the base plan of a

2649
02:05:38,450 --> 02:05:35,570
Buddhist stupa it's the very same

2650
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:38,460
geometry that modern scientists use to

2651
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:41,370
represent how time works this is

2652
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:44,370
significant stuff in other words the

2653
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:46,410
very first exercise that a Buddhist

2654
02:05:50,630 --> 02:05:48,450
initiate learns is to lay out this

2655
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:50,640
geometry of how to align a Buddhist

2656
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:55,050
stupa that geometry directly points us

2657
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:56,850
to the concept of these half spin

2658
02:06:01,820 --> 02:05:59,280
particles and more than that the

2659
02:06:05,270 --> 02:06:01,830
Buddhists say that it represents it

2660
02:06:07,040 --> 02:06:05,280
illustrates how space emerges and what

2661
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:07,050
they don't say to us but when you get

2662
02:06:12,020 --> 02:06:08,970
farther into setting it you realize is

2663
02:06:15,380 --> 02:06:12,030
it also represents what the relationship

2664
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:15,390
of linear time in the material universe

2665
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is to nonlinear time in the non material

2666
02:06:24,340 --> 02:06:21,090
universe Crichton which wasn't again

2667
02:06:26,900 --> 02:06:24,350
discussed until Einstein well actually

2668
02:06:31,130 --> 02:06:26,910
there aren't very many traditional

2669
02:06:34,370 --> 02:06:31,140
viewpoints on nonlinear time Einstein's

2670
02:06:36,140 --> 02:06:34,380
view in science sort of as a toss off

2671
02:06:37,899 --> 02:06:36,150
considered time to be the fourth

2672
02:06:40,689 --> 02:06:37,909
dimension that's right

2673
02:06:42,760 --> 02:06:40,699
but all of the concepts play out so much

2674
02:06:45,070 --> 02:06:42,770
more easily if you postulate the time as

2675
02:06:47,050 --> 02:06:45,080
the first dimension if you say time is

2676
02:06:50,110 --> 02:06:47,060
the fourth dimension then a geometric

2677
02:06:51,959 --> 02:06:50,120
point has no dimensionality to it if you

2678
02:06:55,410 --> 02:06:51,969
make time the first dimension a

2679
02:07:00,040 --> 02:06:55,420
geometric point has one dimension to it

2680
02:07:02,260 --> 02:07:00,050
there's one thing aside from who built a

2681
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,270
great pyramid or jump in a time capsule

2682
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:04,639
or time machine and go to any point and

2683
02:07:08,590 --> 02:07:07,370
and go see something I would like to see

2684
02:07:10,540 --> 02:07:08,600
that and figure out how that was done

2685
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:10,550
there's other things to go back to Tepe

2686
02:07:17,110 --> 02:07:13,330
would be great but you know there's one

2687
02:07:20,050 --> 02:07:17,120
basic question that science isn't

2688
02:07:24,879 --> 02:07:20,060
anywhere near to answering and that's

2689
02:07:28,770 --> 02:07:24,889
how a particle without a brain without a

2690
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:28,780
conscious that we know of how particles

2691
02:07:36,430 --> 02:07:33,110
assemble to the point where you and I

2692
02:07:42,220 --> 02:07:36,440
can have a discussion about those

2693
02:07:44,530 --> 02:07:42,230
particles right how does that happen

2694
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:44,540
well it's cording to the Dogon and all

2695
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:46,610
of that is parallel to how material

2696
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:49,280
creation happens we always end one and

2697
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:51,290
you'll understand the other well yeah I

2698
02:07:58,689 --> 02:07:54,110
mean look I'm holding up I'm holding up

2699
02:08:02,140 --> 02:07:58,699
a crystal skull to the camera okay these

2700
02:08:10,060 --> 02:08:02,150
are the same frigging particles that is

2701
02:08:12,100 --> 02:08:10,070
talking into this microphone we need to

2702
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:12,110
figure that out I don't know I don't

2703
02:08:18,250 --> 02:08:14,960
know physics I don't know if science

2704
02:08:20,200 --> 02:08:18,260
ever will do you I don't know all of

2705
02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:20,210
these fundamental concepts these root

2706
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:23,330
concepts of how energy work ended up

2707
02:08:27,580 --> 02:08:25,250
being the subject of a book I

2708
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:27,590
self-published last year called seeking

2709
02:08:34,090 --> 02:08:31,280
the primordial yes now a more refined

2710
02:08:36,129 --> 02:08:34,100
view of how the energy works plays out

2711
02:08:38,140 --> 02:08:36,139
in relation to the elephant god Ganesha

2712
02:08:40,540 --> 02:08:38,150
which is a book I self-published a few

2713
02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:40,550
months ago a book called Ganesha the

2714
02:08:46,330 --> 02:08:42,320
scientific symbolism of a Hindu god

2715
02:08:49,090 --> 02:08:46,340
that's where the core discussion of all

2716
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:49,100
these rude dynamics happens in my in my

2717
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:51,040
series of books the other

2718
02:08:54,990 --> 02:08:53,650
lay the foundation for for how you can

2719
02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:55,000
look at it this way why you should look

2720
02:08:58,530 --> 02:08:57,070
at it this way it all gets pulled

2721
02:09:00,780 --> 02:08:58,540
together and those those last two

2722
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:00,790
self-published books you know all of

2723
02:09:06,360 --> 02:09:03,850
your books and I have so many of them

2724
02:09:07,740 --> 02:09:06,370
now but all of your books need to be

2725
02:09:10,410 --> 02:09:07,750
read

2726
02:09:12,690 --> 02:09:10,420
you know China's cosmological prehistory

2727
02:09:15,900 --> 02:09:12,700
that is something that people need to go

2728
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:15,910
and and read you know the origins of

2729
02:09:21,120 --> 02:09:18,970
myth and symbol these are these are

2730
02:09:23,610 --> 02:09:21,130
necessary readings I suggest everybody

2731
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:23,620
just go to the links over at Jimmy Turks

2732
02:09:26,580 --> 02:09:24,400
radio.com

2733
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:26,590
and it'll take you straight to inner

2734
02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:30,000
traditions and Laird's page there Larry

2735
02:09:34,110 --> 02:09:32,290
do you have one more second yeah I was

2736
02:09:35,070 --> 02:09:34,120
going to say where can everybody go and

2737
02:09:37,500 --> 02:09:35,080
find you

2738
02:09:39,540 --> 02:09:37,510
okay well I'm I'm personally if they

2739
02:09:42,180 --> 02:09:39,550
want to find me best place to find me is

2740
02:09:45,300 --> 02:09:42,190
on Facebook friend me and message me on

2741
02:09:46,620 --> 02:09:45,310
Facebook and I'm happy to have a

2742
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:46,630
conversation with somebody answer

2743
02:09:51,570 --> 02:09:48,970
questions or mix you know research

2744
02:09:53,790 --> 02:09:51,580
symbols or do whatever I'm quite often

2745
02:09:58,670 --> 02:09:53,800
I'm doing favors for for people through

2746
02:10:01,830 --> 02:09:58,680
Facebook message or through email okay

2747
02:10:03,390 --> 02:10:01,840
as far as my books go you can find them

2748
02:10:06,510 --> 02:10:03,400
at my publishers site inner traditions

2749
02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:06,520
calm or their parent company Simon &

2750
02:10:11,580 --> 02:10:08,770
Schuster calm or you can find them on

2751
02:10:13,710 --> 02:10:11,590
Amazon anywhere if you walk into a

2752
02:10:15,290 --> 02:10:13,720
Barnes & Noble bookstore chances are one

2753
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:15,300
or more of my books is on the Shelf

2754
02:10:18,990 --> 02:10:17,410
become any of the books can be ordered

2755
02:10:23,940 --> 02:10:19,000
through any bookstore are you speaking

2756
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:23,950
anywhere let's see at the moment I don't

2757
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:26,410
have any conference engagements

2758
02:10:35,730 --> 02:10:30,400
scheduled I was just in Denver

2759
02:10:37,740 --> 02:10:35,740
speaking in May at what's called

2760
02:10:42,810 --> 02:10:37,750
LeakyCon it's sort of a conspiracy

2761
02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:42,820
theory focused conference very

2762
02:10:47,610 --> 02:10:44,110
interesting conference we went to I was

2763
02:10:51,660 --> 02:10:47,620
also in Denver a year ago for Gaia TV to

2764
02:10:54,570 --> 02:10:51,670
the segment there I'm fairly routinely

2765
02:10:58,050 --> 02:10:54,580
speak at conferences Fringe New Jersey

2766
02:10:59,940 --> 02:10:58,060
or speaking to the a re and in Virginia

2767
02:11:02,190 --> 02:10:59,950
Beach I've been to Sedona I've been to

2768
02:11:05,409 --> 02:11:02,200
the CPAC conferences in California I've

2769
02:11:07,509 --> 02:11:05,419
been to Minneapolis to the paradigms of

2770
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:07,519
I've spoken in England and a couple of

2771
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:12,530
conferences so just by invitation I'll

2772
02:11:18,399 --> 02:11:15,530
speak where where I'm invited to come

2773
02:11:20,979 --> 02:11:18,409
give my best to Risa and I thank you so

2774
02:11:23,319 --> 02:11:20,989
much great conversation tonight Laird

2775
02:11:24,879 --> 02:11:23,329
and I look forward to having you on the

2776
02:11:26,919 --> 02:11:24,889
show again very soon

2777
02:11:28,569 --> 02:11:26,929
thank you very much I'm so glad you're

2778
02:11:31,359 --> 02:11:28,579
feeling better yeah maybe we should have

2779
02:11:34,839 --> 02:11:31,369
dragged you to a gobekli tepe next year

2780
02:11:35,290 --> 02:11:34,849
in Armenia so that's what I'm talking

2781
02:11:37,419 --> 02:11:35,300
about

2782
02:11:39,580 --> 02:11:37,429
thank you so much Laird enjoy the rest

2783
02:11:40,359 --> 02:11:39,590
of your night thank you so much great

2784
02:11:43,419 --> 02:11:40,369
thanks a lot

2785
02:11:46,299 --> 02:11:43,429
Laird Scranton and the links for all of

2786
02:11:48,459 --> 02:11:46,309
layers books are right there at Jimmy

2787
02:11:50,919 --> 02:11:48,469
Church radio.com just click on it and

2788
02:11:52,479 --> 02:11:50,929
head straight over I want to remind

2789
02:11:54,520 --> 02:11:52,489
everybody what's going on for the rest

2790
02:11:55,509 --> 02:11:54,530
of the week tomorrow night right here

2791
02:11:58,689 --> 02:11:55,519
Freddie

2792
02:12:00,639 --> 02:11:58,699
Silva Thursday night Francisco OSA is

2793
02:12:03,310 --> 02:12:00,649
going to be here as life coach first

2794
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:03,320
time on the show and then Thursday night

2795
02:12:08,279 --> 02:12:05,450
we are doing impulsive

2796
02:12:11,169 --> 02:12:08,289
[Laughter]

2797
02:12:14,619 --> 02:12:11,179
extraordinary the seating with director

2798
02:12:16,689 --> 02:12:14,629
Joe simple and writer Jack Roth this is

2799
02:12:19,659 --> 02:12:16,699
fade to black I am your host Jimmy

2800
02:12:22,330 --> 02:12:19,669
Church what a great way to kick off this

2801
02:12:24,459 --> 02:12:22,340
week amazing conversation thank you so

2802
02:12:26,439 --> 02:12:24,469
much flared theta blacks executive

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network our meals Jimmy Church tomorrow

2818
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:03,859
night right here Freddy Silva follow me

2819
02:13:10,409 --> 02:13:07,010
on twitter @jj Church radio until

2820
02:13:13,270 --> 02:13:10,419
tomorrow night everybody be safe

2821
02:13:21,450 --> 02:13:13,280
go back Lee taffy